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2011-12英超第三轮 - 哲科4球纳斯里3助攻 曼城客场5-1热刺


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2011-12英超第3轮,热刺VS曼城,20分钟超长比赛集锦
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[1112英超]哲科大四喜纳斯里首秀3助攻 曼城5-1大胜热刺 中文解说
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Manchester United 8-2 Arsenal: Wenger’s heaviest defeat as Arsenal manager
August 28, 2011


The starting line-ups 双方首发阵容

An astonishing game ended with a resounding Manchester United victory. 一场惊世骇俗的大战,是以曼联主场的前所未有的、酣畅淋漓的胜利而谢幕。

Sir Alex Ferguson kept the side that defeated Tottenham on Monday, with Danny Welbeck continuing upfront. 曼联主教练阿莱士·弗格森爵士沿用了上周一击败托特纳姆热刺队的首发风格,即继续让丹尼·维尔贝克与鲁尼搭档前场二人组。

Arsene Wenger was without Thomas Vermaelen and Bacary Sagna to add to various previous injury and suspension problems, so Carl Jenkinson played at right-back, and Johan Djourou in the centre. Francis Coquelin made his debut in the centre of midfield. 由于托马斯·维尔马伦和巴卡里·萨尼亚加入各种以前的伤停行列,阿森纳主教练亚森·温格布阵更加捉襟见肘,所以卡尔·詹金森打起右边卫,约翰·朱鲁充当右中卫。 弗朗西斯·科克林也首秀出场,出现在中场单后腰位置上。

The match was a barely believable stream of United chances in an amazingly dominant display. Arsenal were wretched from start to finish, completely unable to make the most of their numerical midfield advantage, and remarkably disorganised at the back. 这场比赛,几乎就是曼联一方以令人惊讶的优势在上演炮轰流(曾经的NBA太阳队风格)打法。可怜的阿森纳人,这个夜晚至始至终都在遭受煎熬,中场人数上的优势荡然无存,而其后防组织也是非常混乱不堪。

Defence

Where to begin? It’s difficult to look at an 8-2 and break it down into specific areas that went wrong. Arsenal were simply poorer in every possible attribute that goes into competing in a football match, and the logical continuation of this stream of thought is that Arsenal’s problems do not lie predominantly in tactical issues – there’s something deeper that must be addressed.

That’s not to say that there weren’t tactical problems, however. For a start, they lacked any kind of cohesiveness without the ball. Some of the side seemed to be pressing, some seemed to be standing off. Coquelin, thrown into such a huge game on his debut, played a relatively deep position and picked up Rooney. Bizarrely, despite Rooney claiming a hat-trick, Coquelin did reasonably well: Rooney’s impact upon the game in open play was relatively little in the first half, and all three of his goals came from set-piece situations. Wenger’s decision to remove Coquelin at 3-1 on 61 minutes (though possibly because of fitness reasons) backfired spectacularly.

That was the only thing that went OK for Arsenal. The problem with pressing meant that Arsenal frequently had no pressure on the ball in midfield – despite the fact that they could afford Coquelin sitting, because Aaron Ramsey and Tomas Rosicky could close down Anderson and Tom Cleverley. Somehow, and again arguably due to fitness reasons, this failed – Anderson and Cleverley got time on the ball and could hit passes over the top.

The secondary issue was with the high defensive line, which is suicidal enough when there is no pressure on the ball – but that almost becomes a pedantic point when the main issue was that the back four was incapable of moving as a unit. Two players would step up, two would drop back. Sometimes it was amazingly easy for United players to waltz through and score – the Nani goal being the best example. On other occasions a lone Arsenal player would become trapped behind the rest of his defence and be forced into a last-ditch tackle – Jenkinson collected both his bookings in this fashion.

United were frequently pleasing on the eye, and the quality of their finishing was consistently superb, but they didn’t even have to play particularly well. They passed the ball much better in the 3-0 win over Tottenham and in the 3-2 win over Manchester City. Some of the goals – the Park Ji-Sung shot, the Welbeck header – simply came as they had too much time and space on the ball. Rooney’s three goals came because Arsenal had conceded fouls by diving in. Young’s strikes were superb – yet if they’d been the only goals in a 2-0 win, we would have been here questioning why a right-footed player was allowed to come inside onto his stronger side so easily. Almost everything went wrong for Arsenal.

Basic errors

The most striking thing from the chalkboards is that even in the basic areas, the most primitive concepts in football, Arsenal were outclassed. United completed 64% of the tackles they attempted, Arsenal just 45%:

<flash> by Guardian Chalkboards

Another example – despite the ball spending most of the time on the edge of the Arsenal area, United managed to block six shots compared to Arsenal’s one:

<flash> by Guardian Chalkboards

Getting tackles in, getting blocks in – not sophisticated, not the Arsenal way and unlikely to be a deciding factor upon the game, but when your side can’t keep the ball, can’t keep an offside line and is letting the opposition play, these are the things you have to be halfway decent at. If not, you’re liable to concede eight goals.

Conclusion

Part of the issue, in simplistic terms, is that Arsenal didn’t have players who were fit to perform the tasks required. Some of this was because they lacked experience, some because they were simply the wrong players for the situation. Laurent Koscielny finished with a 100% pass completion ratio…yet kept getting caught too high up the pitch when defending. Carl Jenkinson was a force going forward and got an assist…yet didn’t make a single successful tackle. Ramsey and Rosicky are creators, not battlers. To use these type of players in the positions they played in, you must be in control of the game, and Arsenal were never close to that.

United continue their impressive start, though even they must have been surprised at how easy it was. Their 4-4-2 shape (with two strikers coming deep) provides forward runs from a lot of different angles, and with Nani and Ashley Young being able to go down the line or inside for a shot, they are very dangerous going forward.
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曼联8-2阿森纳战术分析:终极残阵制造温格最惨痛失利

Rivaldinho 发表在GoalHi足球·英超专区


首发阵容

一场让人震惊的比赛,以曼联畅快淋漓的胜利而告终。

弗格森保留了周一战胜热刺的阵容,维尔贝克继续突前。

温格方面由于维尔马伦和萨尼亚进入伤停名单,便由延金森出任右后卫,久若出任中后卫,科克林在中场首次亮相。

比赛中曼联占据主导,机会数不胜数,阿森纳自始至终都备受折磨,中场人数优势化于无形,防线组织混乱不堪。

防守

从哪儿开始说起呢?一场8-2的比赛你很难把他割裂开说哪个部分出了问题。很显然,阿森纳在这场足球比赛中方方面面都做得很糟糕,比较符合逻辑的推理是枪手主要问题不在战术层面,这场惨败背后有更深层次的原因。

但是我们也不能说,阿森纳就没有战术上的问题。从比赛一开始他们在无球状态下就显得有些脱节。有些人想去压迫对手,有些人则想站住位置。科克林在这样的一场重大比赛里上演了自己的首秀,他的位置相对靠后,负责看防鲁尼。有趣的是,鲁尼虽然上演了帽子戏法,但是科克林的表现倒也不错。鲁尼上半场对比赛的影响就比较小,他所有三个进球都是来自定位球。温格在比赛第61分钟球队1-3落后的时候换下科克林有点自毁长城的意思——当然可能是体能出了问题也未可知。

这也是阿森纳唯一OK的地方,压迫不利意味着阿森纳对于控球状态下的红魔束手无策,没错,科克林拖后,因为拉姆塞和罗西基可以紧逼安德森和克莱维利。可也许又是因为体能的原因,这样的看防不管用,安德森和克莱维利有大把拿球时间,总是可以送出身后球。

第二个问题则是防线提上,既然压迫不利,再这样安排就无异于自杀了,当防线四人组无法协同作战的时候,这个问题是必然的。两个球员可能想提上,两个球员可能想回撤,有些时候曼联球员想要杀进去得分真是简单极了,纳尼的进球就是最好的例子。另外一方面落单的阿森纳球员可能会被迫作出搏命式的铲球,延金森两张黄牌都出自于此。

曼联整场都踢得赏心悦目,他们的射门也超级棒,可实际上面对这样一支阿森纳他们也不用踢得太好。相比这场,他们在3-0热刺和3-2曼城的比赛里传球更流畅。有些进球,比如朴智星和维尔贝克的两个,仅仅是因为他们调整时间更多。鲁尼的三粒进球来自对方的贸然放铲。杨的进球倒是很棒,帮助曼联2-0领先,可我们要质疑的是为何一名右脚球员能够如此轻易地被防守球员放到内线切入呢?阿森纳几乎所有的一切都出了问题。

基本错误

战术板上,最令我们吃惊的是在一些足球最基本的工作上,阿森纳被完全压倒。曼联赢得了本队64%的对抗,阿森纳只有45%。

<flash> by Guardian Chalkboards

还有一个例子,尽管球大多数时候在阿森纳的禁区附近转悠,但是曼联还是封挡出了枪手6次射门,阿森纳则只有1次。

<flash> by Guardian Chalkboards

对抗也好,封堵也好,并非最细节,也并非阿森纳最能影响一场比赛的要素所在,但是当你的球队不能控球,不能造越位,让对手尽情肆虐的时候,说明你连一些基本的活儿都没掌握好。若真是这样,你就等着鲸吞八球吧。

结论

问题的一部分,简单来讲,阿森纳没有能够达成任务所需要的球员,还有一部分是他们没经验,还有一部分是因为使用了错误的球员,没错科斯切尔尼传球成功率百分百,但是他在防守的时候还是因为站位太靠上被屡次打穿。延金森能够前插还有一次助攻,但是他连一次成功对抗都没有。拉姆塞和罗西基都是创造者,而不是战斗者。要使用这样的球员就必须保证控制比赛,但是阿森纳差得还很远。

曼联联赛开局让人印象深刻,但是踢得如此轻松他们也必然会惊讶。他们的4-4-2阵型能够从很多不同角度发动进攻,纳尼和杨都是既能下底又能内切,他们的进攻太有威胁了。
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本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 20:27 编辑

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北京时间8月28日晚上23点00分,英超第3轮进行了最后一场且最重要的比赛,曼联主场迎战阿森纳。
曼联8-2大胜获得联赛主场17连胜,鲁尼上演帽子戏法,阿什利-扬帽子助攻,
维尔贝克、阿什利-扬、朴智星和纳尼也纷纷破门,
德赫亚在1-0时扑出过阿森纳的点球,
为阿森纳进球的是沃尔科特和范佩西。
本轮过后,曼联和曼城同积9分、进球数也一样,但以10个净胜球力压曼城登上榜首宝座。
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本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 09:56 编辑

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Fountains of youth
青春的源泉
August 27, 2011

By Miguel Delaney

After the joyous vibrancy of Monday night at Old Trafford, it's incredible to think how jaded Manchester United looked just 10 months ago.


PA Photos
Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex have been key in bringing young players through

Wayne Rooney wanted to go to Manchester City. The club seemingly didn't want to sign premium-level new players. But, after the late October win over Bursaspor, Alex Ferguson wanted to send a message.
"I had a player once who said to me that Rooney and [Cristiano] Ronaldo weren't good enough and he was not prepared to wait until they were good enough. But that's the trouble with potential. People don't identify potential. They're very poor at it. I've identified all my life the potential in young people. I know potential. I know how to develop and have faith in it. And young people surprise you when given the opportunity. That's what this club is all about."
Considering the events of the time, as well as Rooney's apparent criticism of what the club had come to be about, Ferguson's words seemed no more than an admirable - but ultimately empty - statement of defiance. The average age of the first XI was touching 30 and their performances were barely getting past patchy. With the Glazers seemingly refusing to invest, Rooney's complaints appeared justified.
Typically, though, it was Ferguson who would eventually be vindicated.
A 22-year-old in Javier Hernandez would transform from an impact sub into a Champions League match-winner. The 20-year-old Chris Smalling would mature into a modern defender. Nani would continue his progress from one of the most wasteful players in the Premier League to the most productive and a forgotten Fabio would overtake his twin brother Rafael. At Sunderland, Danny Welbeck was building up the confidence he needed to receive a chance at United while Tom Cleverley was doing the same at Wigan.
One of the results - beyond last season's title and Champions League final appearance - was a thrilling 3-0 win over Tottenham delivered by a team with an average age of 23. United have been, quite literally, rejuvenated.
Amid all the praise for Ferguson's faith in potential, though, it's been overlooked that the average age of Arsenal's team last weekend was also 23.
Or, if not quite overlooked, then predictably viewed through an entirely different prism. Whereas belief in youth has brightened United, it continues to slowly bring Arsenal down from the position they were in seven years ago.
To a degree, the issue seems to define the differences between the two managers. Indeed, two phrases that have been repeated a lot around the Emirates and Old Trafford over the last while are particularly pointed.
In Manchester: "Wenger talks about youth. Fergie just goes and does it."
In London: "We don't need a change in manager, we just need the manager to change."
Either way, both men have always seen investment in youth as their defining managerial traits. And, given that the issue fundamentally boils down to numbers, it's interesting to directly compare their records.
In 25 years at Old Trafford, Ferguson has given 103 young players their debut (for the purposes of clarity, we've included both academy graduates and those signed before the age of 20): that's 4.1 a season. In 15 years at the Emirates, meanwhile, Wenger has blooded 84: that's 5.6 a season.
From those numbers:
• 23% of Ferguson's graduates have played over 30 games for his club; 31% of Wenger's have
• 12% of Ferguson's graduates have played over 100 games for his club; 15% of Wenger's have
• 10% of Ferguson's graduates have played over 200 games for his club; 5% of Wenger's have
• 23% of Ferguson's graduates have succeeded elsewhere in the Premier League or another elite European top flight; 26% of Wenger's have
• 1% of Ferguson's graduates have been sold to a club at Manchester United's level; 7% of Arsenal's have been sold to a club at Arsenal's level
And, perhaps most tellingly:
• 23% of Ferguson's graduates have won medals with his club; 13% of Wenger's have
To a degree, the numbers prove what we already know: Wenger is more likely to initially flood young players into his squad, Ferguson is better at finishing the job - in a few senses. But that also perhaps raises issues about both men's clubs as actual breeding grounds beyond the academies.
When Wenger first arrived at Arsenal, for example, he could neither introduce a nucleus of readymade graduates nor immediately enforce his ideals. Rather, he had to adapt around the existing qualities of that old Highbury core. In the process, though, they all became better players.
The success that mix brought entrusted Wenger with almost total control of the club's playing structure. But it has also meant that, since then, he has altered it so his youth system only produces particular types of players. Famously, Wenger has physical and technical ideals for every position. And the result, effectively, is that Arsenal release a stream of similar prototypes.


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Tom Cleverley: The latest young United star

Contrast that with Manchester United, where there has always been a huge variety of player styles produced - most notably in this crop. But Ferguson also tends to get the timing of their introduction right. Unlike Arsenal, there's always been a blend of proven winners and potential brilliance - right back to the Double-winning 1995-96 team. Wenger began to forego that complementary mix in 2004. Admittedly, as we've seen with Samir Nasri and Cesc Fabregas, not always by choice.
But then that also raises questions over whether Wenger has created a damaging cycle for himself. Indeed, one of those proven winners - Tony Adams - relays an enlightening story about Wenger's treatment of Lilian Thuram at Monaco. Despite the reputation the defender eventually forged, at first he offered up regular errors.
"It cost them game after game. But he kept him on... and encouraged him and encouraged him. Great for the player. No good for [Wenger] and the team."
History has clearly repeated itself.
But not in every sense. Sunday's match at Old Trafford is likely to be a far cry from the testosterone-fuelled face-offs between men like Patrick Vieira and Roy Keane. Another difference, however, is that - on the evidence of the past seven years, let alone the last 10 months - only one of the teams is likely to reach the kind of level those forerunners once did.
Miguel Delaney is a freelance football writer and owner of FootballPantheon.
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本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 09:54 编辑

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同样的23岁,不同的调教之道——写在老特拉福德一战前

Rivaldinho 发表在GoalHi足球·英超专区

周一曼联在老特拉福德获得了一场辉煌的胜利,那场比赛让你很难想象10个月前的红魔是如何的颓废和混乱。


PA Photos
温格和弗格森都是年轻球员成长的导师。

鲁尼想要叛逃曼城,俱乐部看起来没法再签下一流的新援,但是,在10月下旬击败布尔萨体育之后,弗格森想要告诉我们一件事。

“曾经有个球员,他告诉我鲁尼和C罗不够好,自己没打算等到他们成长起来的那一天。这就是潜力带来的麻烦,人们不认同潜力,大家都很刻薄。我一直都在探寻年轻人身上的潜力,我知道潜力是个什么东西,我知道如何挖掘潜力,我有信心。只要给年轻人一个机会,他们就能给你惊喜,这家俱乐部就是最好的诠释。”

考虑到当时的局面,鲁尼已经对俱乐部的现状表示了明显的不满,弗格森的言论不仅仅让人觉得敬佩,更多的这也是一份反击宣言。当时曼联首发阵容的平均年龄快要接近30岁,球队整体表现差强人意。很明显格雷泽当时拒绝更大投入,鲁尼的抱怨看起来言之有理。

又一次,弗格森站了出来。

22岁的埃尔南德斯从一位高效替补转变为欧冠级别的杀手。20岁的斯莫林也在防守中越发成熟。纳尼继续进步,他从英超赛场最擅长“挥霍”的球员变成了最高效的攻击手,被遗忘的双胞胎哥哥法比奥也终于可以和拉斐尔一较高下。在桑德兰,维尔贝克逐渐建立起信心,他在曼联需要的只是一个机会,在维冈的克莱维利同样如此。

上赛季拿到联赛冠军并且杀入欧冠决赛暂且不谈,这赛季开始后曼联竟以23岁的平均年龄击溃了热刺。严格意义上来讲,红魔,返老还童了。

而在大家褒奖弗格森对潜力的执着挖掘时,我们也忽略了上周末那支阿森纳的平均年龄也是23岁。

也许并非真正的忽视,只不过大家看待他们的眼光截然不同。对于年轻人的信心让红魔熠熠生辉,却把阿森纳拉向来深渊。

某种程度上,这个问题可以反映出两位主帅之间的不同。实际上,酋长球场和老特拉福德各有一句关于此事的评价经常被人挂在嘴边。

在曼彻斯特,人们说:“温格谈论年轻人,弗格森话不多,直接开搞。”

在伦敦,人们说:“我们不需要改换主帅,但我们需要主帅去改变。”

总之,这两位对于青训的投入都是他们执教生涯的一大标志。如果直接把问题简化到数字层面,他们之间的比较就会很有趣。

在老特拉福德25年,弗格森手下曾有103位少年出战——为了方便计算,我们把青训培养和20岁以下签入的球员都已计算在内,平均每赛季4.1个,在阿森纳15年,温格放出了84个小妖,平均每赛季5.6个。

再看看这些数字:
• 弗格森这里23%的年轻人为曼联踢了超过30场比赛,温格这里则有31%。
• 弗格森这里12%的年轻人为曼联踢了超过100场比赛,温格这里则有15%。
• 弗格森这里10%的球员为了曼联踢了超过200场比赛,温格这里则有5%。
• 弗格森这里23%的年轻人在英超或者欧洲其他顶级联赛立足。温格这里则有26%。
• 弗格森这里1%的年轻人被卖去了与曼联同级别的豪门,温格这里则有7%。

   也许这个能说明更多:
• 弗格森这里23%的年轻人随曼联夺得了冠军,温格这里则有13%。

坦白地讲,数字证实了我们所了解的一件事:某种程度上温格更喜欢往阵容里塞年轻。也许我们还要提一点,这两家俱乐部对球员的养成不仅仅是在青训阶段。

比如,温格来到阿森纳的时候,他既没有招之即用的青训球员,也没法立即实施自己的理念。于是他围绕海布里原有的核心阵容下了些功夫,在这个过程中,这些球员都变得更好了。

成功让温格获得了对俱乐部竞技层面建设的大权,但是温格的改造也使得俱乐部的青训体系只出产特定类型的球员。众所周知温格对每个位置都有身体和技术上的特定要求,结果则是阿森纳培养出来的球员都差不离。


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克莱维利,曼联最新星

曼联则刚好相反,球员类型总是多种多样,这一代尤其如此,但是弗格森也总是倾向于在合适的时候才把他们放出来。和阿森纳不同,曼联阵中总是以成名的冠军球员混搭潜力新星,比如95-96赛季那支球队。而温格在2004年之后就决心一条道走到黑,纳斯里和法布雷加斯的出走绝非偶然。

问题在于温格这样做是不是一个恶性循环呢?实际上,温格麾下曾经的冠军球员亚当斯说起过温格在摩纳哥时期调教图拉姆的故事,图拉姆后来是声名斐然,但一开始可是不断犯错的主儿。

“他毁了一场又一场比赛,但是温格还是让他上……鼓励他,再鼓励他,这样对球员很好,但是对他自己和球队没好处。”
历史显然在重演。

但也不尽然,星期天老特拉福德一战并非昔日维埃拉与基恩那样血脉喷张的死斗,另一个差别便是,在过去10个月,哦不过去7年里,这两支球队中只有一方延续了先辈们的辉煌……
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本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 20:51 编辑

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2011/12赛季第三轮 曼联8-2阿森纳 下半场01
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网友说,温格是史上最被高估的教练,有木有?

还说,这是枪手115年来最惨重的失败,有木有?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-29 09:10:32 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 09:12 编辑

曼城纳斯里首秀,帽子助攻,哲科大四喜,阿奎罗单骑闯关技惊四座,三轮下来,哲科、阿奎罗和席尔瓦射手榜前十上分别以6球、3球、2球名列前茅。这四人都是最近2个赛季的给力引援,这钱烧得值了!
曼奇尼登陆英伦以来,终于上演曼妙之舞一回。

曼联青春风暴轻舞飞扬,黑贝继续首开纪录,鲁尼继续进球且演帽子戏法,阿什利-杨梅开二度,助攻亦风骚无比戴帽,这三人3轮下来,在射手榜前十中以2球、5球、2球名列前茅。
弗绝爷老来俏打法初见成效!

三轮下来,二曼3胜,分别进13球和12球,仅同丢3球,不过曼联后来居上,在小曼坐上头把交椅3-4个小时左右,就以净胜球10个的稍稍领先优势夺取英超新霸主宝座。

弗格森,老当益壮,其大气豪情,其永葆青春,其历久弥新,丝毫不亚于曼奇尼,其风度一定要翩翩,其壮志尚未酬,故而踌躇满志状
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-29 10:07:48 | 只看该作者
弗格森和温格各领风骚

弗格森耍青春,一派风流倜傥

温格耍青春,却是一片骚轻、哀鸿遍野
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温格纠结从小法闹转会就开始了。面对昨夜枪手惨案,小法和纳斯里恐怕都在后怕,唏嘘不已,所幸走了
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弗格森和温格各领风骚

弗格森耍青春,一派风流倜傥

温格耍青春,却是一片骚轻、哀鸿遍野
Alex2011 发表于 2011-8-29 10:07


曼城与曼联的最大差距, 就是曼奇尼与老头子的差距。
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曼城与曼联的最大差距, 就是曼奇尼与老头子的差距。
小豆丁梅西 发表于 2011-8-29 14:44


弗格森是曼联真正的王牌,不说曼奇尼,即使全球能比肩的也不多,曼苏尔富可敌国,也很难找到一个比弗格森更强的主帅

曼城手上的牌非常好,各种类型的球员都不缺,如果能找到一套稳定的技战术方案并形成自我的足球风格

那么他们和曼联、切尔西、皇马绝对在同一级别
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弗格森是曼联真正的王牌,不说曼奇尼,即使全球能比肩的也不多,曼苏尔富可敌国,也很难找到一个比弗格森更强的主帅

曼城手上的牌非常好,各种类型的球员都不缺,如果能找到一套稳定的技战术方案并形成自我的足球 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-8-29 15:35



我倒是觉得曼苏尔可以考虑下大鼻子教练。
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弗格森是曼联真正的王牌,不说曼奇尼,即使全球能比肩的也不多,曼苏尔富可敌国,也很难找到一个比弗格森更强的主帅

曼城手上的牌非常好,各种类型的球员都不缺,如果能找到一套稳定的技战术方案并形成自我的足球 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-8-29 15:35


感觉曼联打法越来越有细腻化趋势,但推进速度还不减,前场小配合在几个技术成色很浓的球员间不断展开,从这种意义讲,有点快巴萨味道,例如聪明利和小豌豆一次配合很亮,可惜聪明利打门那一下缺乏射手本色。

曼城其实一根筋味道,前场压不住,没拿几下球,就谁都想开火,但只有纳斯里拿球时思路很清晰,要纵深要下底传中,这一招太对味哲科门前抢点和冲击了,热刺阵地战本来防守还可以,但让哲科一次得手后,就防不住。

曼城中场也是同样问题,控制局势不行,只是一味推进,所以整个下来控球反而没优势。而且哲科35分钟进球前,曼城巴里、席尔瓦、图雷、萨巴都相继吃到了黄牌。按照这个裁判尺度,巴里很可能在禁区左侧那一次犯规吃到第二张黄牌的。而这之前,热刺有两次破门良机的。

应该说,纳斯里第一次助攻,也解放了哲科,让他明白不要靠后串联,而是真正顶在前面才是王道
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本帖最后由 pedro 于 2011-8-29 17:26 编辑

Page last updated at 08:55 GMT, Monday, 29 August 2011 09:55 UK

Wenger hurt by Arsenal thrashing





Manager Arsene Wenger admits Arsenal's 8-2 Premier League defeat at Manchester United on Sunday was humiliating.

Rooney delighted at milestone

Report: Man Utd 8-2 Arsenal

Ferguson delighted with victory

Wenger on humiliating defeat
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本帖最后由 pedro 于 2011-8-29 17:33 编辑

PREMIER LEAGUE'S BIGGEST WINS
英超著名的“惨案”

Man Utd 9-0 Ipswich - Mar 95

Tottenham 9-1 Wigan - Nov 09

Chelsea 8-0 Wigan - May 10

Newcastle 8-0 Sheff Wed - Sep 99

M'brough 8-1 Man City - May 08

Nottm For 1-8 Man Utd - Feb 99

Chelsea 7-0 Stoke - Apr 10

Arsenal 7-0 Everton - May 05

Blackburn 7-0 Nottm For - Nov 95

Man Utd 7-0 Barnsley - Oct 97

Arsenal 7-0 M'brough - Jan 06
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-29 20:56:08 | 只看该作者
以佛格森的性格,这次的换人不是临场拍脑袋的
下半场的阵容肯定也是某套方案之一,是演练过的
外加曼奇尼本身的保守
WLSOUTMAN 发表于 2011-8-8 19:20


不成想这套替补阵容,现在成了曼联打天下的主力阵容

曼奇尼不愧是曼联好帮手
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本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-8-29 21:14 编辑

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2011/12赛季第三轮 曼联8-2阿森纳 下半场02
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20110828英超第3轮 曼联VS阿森纳 全场(詹俊解说)
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本帖最后由 Penelope 于 2011-8-31 06:37 编辑

Barcelona 5-0 Villarreal: Guardiola switches to a 3-4-3 (diamond) and Barca run riot巴萨 5-0 维拉里尔战术分析:瓜迪奥拉变阵3-4-3(钻石型),巴萨于是在诺坎普为所欲为
August 29, 2011


Barca's system in detail 巴萨战术体系细解

Barcelona demolished a lacklustre Villarreal side in their first La Liga game of the season.

Pep Guardiola was without Dani Alves, Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique, so played just one nominal defender, Eric Abidal, and used Sergio Busquets and Javier Mascherano alongside him. Xavi Hernandez and David Villa were benched with Thiago Alcantara, Cesc Fabregas and Alexis Sanchez all starting.

Juan Carlos Garrido went for the side that was largely expected – Bruno Soriano returned to midfield after his midweek spell in defence, and Gonzalo Rodriguez returned to centre-back.

This was much less competitive than the excellent game last year – Villarreal offered little attacking thrust and rolled over for Barcelona.

Barca’s system in isolation 巴萨体系的解析

First, this was such an unusual system from Barca, that it’s worth outlining exactly how it worked on the pitch. Lining up as roughly a 3-4-3 with the ‘4′ a diamond, the two players who remained in their positions at all times were Busquets, the sweeper, and holding midfielder Seydou Keita.

Abidal and Mascherano pushed slightly higher up the pitch, trying to force Giuseppe Rossi and Nilmar back. The outside midfielders, Andres Iniesta and Thiago Alcantara, tried to come inside and moved forward to switch with Cesc Fabregas. With those three fluid and Keita the only holder, it was more like a 3-1-3-3 for much of the game.

With Barcelona having nothing like full-backs or wingers, the front three spread even wider than usual, with Sanchez and Pedro keeping more width rather than coming inside immediately to make diagonal runs towards goal (although this still happened, simply less frequently). In all, it was very similar to Marcelo Bielsa’s 3-3-1-3 system, albeit with ball-playing midfielders on the outside of the diamond, rather than wing-backs making diagonal runs, as in Bielsa’s system. Sanchez, of course, knew how to play this formation perfectly.

Perfect for playing Villarreal 完美肢解维拉里尔的体系

This was Barca’s first match of the 2011/12 season, and there is some speculation that this will be their first choice system this campaign. Some caution is required, however, because Guardiola has a history of playing different systems in one-off games to counter an opponent’s particular strength, or exploit a certain weakness. He moved to a 3-4-3 (with wing-backs) against Atletico last season to push their wingers back into their own half, for example. He also played Dani Alves even higher up the pitch than usual against Sevilla. In fact, he generally tries something different against teams that play two strikers against Barca.

This system, then, was perfect for Villarreal. They usually play a 4-2-2-2 with two wide midfielders coming into the centre of the pitch, though sometimes they play more of a 4-3-1-2. Either way, it’s very narrow – the system here was probably a cross between the two, as Borja Valero shuttled between a role on the right, and a position closing down Keita.

Starting from the back, Barca had a spare man. Mascherano tracked Rossi and Abidal moved on Nilmar as those two typically moved wide, whilst Busquets could sweep up. One danger of playing against Villarreal’s 4-2-2-2 is that they sometimes have four central midfielders, but by playing a diamond, Guardiola was able to counteract that threat by keeping it 4 v 4 in the midfield zone. Further forward, Villarreal’s full-backs – who must overlap to allow the narrowness further forward – were pinned back by Pedro and Sanchez. It was the best theoretical formation to use against Villarreal.


The starting line-ups 双方首发阵容

This was such an unusual battle of formations, but there is a parallel with Kenny Dalglish’s tactics earlier in the year against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. Carlo Ancelotti, having just acquired Fernando Torres, played a 4-3-1-2 system, and to keep a spare man at the back whilst not being overpowered in the midfield, Dalglish went for a back three with a diamond midfield.

The difference was that Dalglish’s formation was much more reactive than Barca’s, and so on the flanks he used wing-backs in deep positions, rather than wide forwards. But they did the same job – in tracking the Chelsea full-backs, and so the idea was pretty much the same.

How Barcelona won 巴萨取胜之道

So, the actual details of the game. The first goal of the match made perfect tactical sense, because it came from the Barca player with the most freedom. Villarreal’s system involved playing two holding midfielders, using Valero in that shuttling position, and Cani much wider on the left to provide an easy out-ball when Villarreal won possession.

That worked well a couple of times early on as Cani dribbled forward, but the downside was that he often let Alcantara go. That was the reason why the youngster was allowed to come inside, dribble, and dribble, and dribble, and shoot into the net – without any pressure from Villarreal’s midfield.

The second goal demonstrated what Cesc Fabregas brings to the side. Barcelona did slightly lack a player like him last year – someone who runs from central positions to exploit Messi’s movement deeper. Iniesta occasionally did this, but he prefers to play deeper. Fabregas is perfect if Barca want that additional movement from central positions – he’s not so much a classic number ten (which often doesn’t work well with a false nine) but instead a player who likes bursting forward past the defence. Indeed, his relationship with Messi worked so well immediately because he’s done roughly the same thing with Robin van Persie at Arsenal for the last two seasons. It fits with Tom Williams’ astute observation last year that to go with a false nine, we may have a false ten.

The three second half goals came largely because Villarreal pushed their defence higher up, and Barca played balls over the top easily. At 3-0 it was over.

Conclusion 总结

A brilliant performance from Barca technically, and a great selection from Guardiola tactically. He could have maintained a back four, perhaps by dropping Keita into the back or bringing in Andreu Fontas, but his decision to go 3-4-3 was logical and fully justified. 5-0 is a huge scoreline against a team who gave them such problems last year.

Will it be Barca’s permanent formation? Maybe. It’s important to remember that they were playing against opponents who play a very particular way (probably different from any other La Liga side), and also that 3-4-3 is not necessarily any more attack-minded than a 4-3-3. Dani Alves would also need to be accommodated.

The future – hopefully, for reasons of tactical interest – is a hybrid between this system and the usual 4-3-3. If Pique and Puyol returned to the defence and allowed Mascherano or Busquets to step forward, Barca could switch between the two systems, with a forward-playing centre-back able to drop in when he likes. Ironically, that might be the best way to stop systems with a false nine thriving, if that becomes the tactical norm.

Edit: Mike notes in the comments below that a comparison to Ajax is probably in order. He’s right – check out Mohamed Moallim’s excellent post on Louis van Gaal’s Ajax.
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本帖最后由 Penelope 于 2011-8-31 06:41 编辑

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巴塞罗那 5-0 比利亚雷尔:瓜迪奥拉变阵3-4-3(菱形中场),效果凶猛

巴塞罗那在本赛季西甲首战击沉了生锈的黄色潜水艇。

瓜迪奥拉手上没有阿尔维斯、普约尔和皮克,因而只启用了一个正牌后卫——阿比达尔,他和布斯克茨以及马斯切拉诺搭档后卫线。哈维和比利亚被放在替补席上,而蒂亚戈、法布雷加斯和桑切斯都获得了首发机会。

而加里多排出的阵容和人们所预的相去不远:周中打后卫的布鲁诺重回中场,罗德里格斯回到中后卫位置上。

相对于去年那场精彩的比赛来说,这场比赛的激烈程度要少了很多——黄色潜水艇进攻乏力,在巴塞罗那面前只有翻船的份。


巴萨体系细解

巴萨阵型专述

首先,这是巴萨不常用的一个阵型,因此值得谈谈这个阵型在场上是如何运作的。形状上大致是3-4-3,其中中场4人是菱形站位,两个始终守在自己位置上的人是担任清道夫的布斯克茨,还有担任后腰的凯塔。

阿比达尔和马斯切拉诺的位置要稍为压上些,试图迫使罗西和尼尔马后退。两个站在外围的中场伊涅斯塔和蒂亚戈往中间靠,并上前与法布雷加斯换位。由于中场前边的三人经常换位而只有凯塔稳坐后方,阵型在比赛的大多时候更像是3-1-3-3。

由于巴塞罗那没有边卫或者翼卫,锋线三人比往常拉得更开,桑切斯和佩德罗更多地拉边而不是立即内切朝球门方向斜插(尽管这也有发生,但频率要少多了)。总体而言,这和贝尔萨的3-3-1-3阵型有相似的地方,不过此阵型菱形中场两侧是持球型的中场队员,而不是负责斜插的翼卫(如贝尔萨的阵型那样)。桑切斯自然知道怎样很好地踢这种阵型。


双方首发阵容

对付比利亚雷尔的绝招

这场比赛是巴萨2011-12赛季的首战,赛前就有人就预测这种阵型会是他们这场比赛的第一选择。不过需要注意的是,瓜迪奥拉习惯于针对对手特定的优点或是缺点进行相应的变阵。例如上赛季对阵马德里竞技时,他就变阵3-4-3,将翼卫推过本方半场。对阵塞维利亚他将阿尔维斯的位置提得甚至比平常还要高。事实上,对阵使用双前锋对付巴萨的球队,他通常都会作出一些变化。

这种阵型正是对付比利亚雷尔的妙计。他们通常踢4-2-2-2,两名边中场往中路靠;不过有时他们踢的更像是4-3-1-2——本场的阵型或许介于这两种阵型之间,巴雷罗游走于右边路和中路(以压制凯塔)之间。

先从后场看,巴萨有多一人的人数优势。由于对方两名前锋习惯向边路游弋,分居两侧的马斯切拉诺和阿比达尔就分别盯住罗西和尼尔马,而布斯克茨进行扫荡。对阵比利亚雷尔的4222阵型一个危险在于他们有时会将四名中场同时集结在中路(形成人数优势),但由于瓜迪奥拉在中场采用了菱形站位,便可以在中场这一区域形成4对4的局面(从而抵消掉对方的优势)。而在前场,佩德罗和桑切斯可以阻截比利亚雷尔的两名边后卫——这两人必须前插以支援中前场收窄阵型。由此看来,这是对付比利亚雷尔的理论上最佳阵型。

本场比赛是一场不常见的阵型之战,但一个类似的案例是今年早些时候,达格利什在斯坦福桥对阵切尔西时所采用的战术。当时切尔西刚买入托雷斯,安切洛蒂采用了4-3-1-2阵型;为了在后场保持多一人而在中场又不被对方压制,达格利什在后场摆出了三后卫,而在中场采用了菱形站位。

不同之处在于达格利什的阵型要比巴萨被动得多:他在边路安插的是两名站位靠后的翼卫,而不是两名边锋。不过起到的效果一样——盯住切尔西的边后卫,因而战术思想基本上是一致的。

巴塞罗那是怎么赢的

说完这些,来看比赛的实况。第一个进球极具战术意味,因为进球来自拥有最大自由度的巴萨球员。比利亚雷尔的阵型采用双后腰,巴雷罗在中路和边路之间来回跑动,而卡尼在左路的位置要靠边得多,以使本队握有球权时有个便利的出球点。

这种战术在比赛早段奏效过几次,让卡尼有了带球向前攻的机会,但不利之处在于他会经常漏掉蒂亚戈。这就是这位新秀能够内切,接连盘带,然后射门破网的原因——没有受到比利亚雷尔中场的任何压力。

第二个进球显示了法布雷加斯带给这支球队的东西。巴塞罗那去年确实有点缺乏像他这样的球员——一个能够从中路插上利用梅西后撤所形成空当的人。伊涅斯塔有时可以做到这点,不过他更喜欢在靠后的位置活动。如果巴萨需要更多中路插上的能力的话,法布雷加斯是不二人选——他并不是十足经典意义上的10号(这种球员通常和伪9号配合不好),但他却是一个喜欢插上打穿对方后防线的球员。实际上,他和梅西能在如此之短的时间就配合得如此之好,原因在于过去两个赛季他在阿森纳和范佩西打的基本上就是同一个套路。这正契合了汤姆·威廉姆斯去年所敏锐观察到的那样:要用伪9号,可配伪10号。

下半场三个进球大体上是因为比利亚雷尔后防线压上,巴萨就容易踢出过顶球了。3-0的时候比赛就已经结束了。

结论

这场比赛在技术层面上是巴萨的一次精彩表演,而在战术层面上则是瓜迪奥拉的一次精妙选择。他本可以沿用四后卫,或许是把凯塔后撤,或许是把丰塔斯换上,但他变阵3-4-3的决定既合理又奏效。对阵一支去年给他们制造了不小麻烦的球队,5-0是个很大的比分。

这会是巴萨以后的固定阵型吗?或许吧。请谨记他们首战对手的踢法非常特别(或许和其他西甲球队都不一样),而3-4-3也不是说就一定比4-3-3更有攻击性。同时也需要考虑阿尔维斯的位置。

基于战术考虑的原因,将来的阵型可能会是此种阵型和通常的4-3-3阵型的混合体。如果皮克和普约尔回归后卫线,让马斯切拉诺和布斯克茨可以前移的话,巴萨就可以在这两种阵型之间进行切换,只要派上一个站位靠前而又能适时回收的中后卫。讽刺性的是,这可能是对付有伪9号阵型的最佳方式,如果这成为常规战术的话。
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