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【ZM美洲杯专贴】142L:美洲杯最佳阵容11人

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76#
发表于 2011-7-15 11:39:45 | 只看该作者
巴拉圭这个队打得太没有美感了,不喜欢马蒂诺这类球风
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 11:42:13 | 只看该作者
73# Alex2011  
厄瓜多尔这个进两球的凯赛多是个牛逼人物,坚决果断。在今年的西甲也打进了十几个球,我记得还进了巴萨一球,戏耍了皮克(好像是皮克犯2了)
巴拉圭打巴西那场压迫的非常不错。巴拉圭的身体优势和在 ...
午时靡深蓝 发表于 2011-7-15 11:38


估计接下来阿根廷vs乌拉圭,乌队若是被淘汰,肯定吃亏在弗兰身上了,老大和进攻核心,但是明显不是去年世界杯状态,

然而,他的定位球和远射还是很大威力的
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发表于 2011-7-15 11:44:36 | 只看该作者
巴拉圭一向这样,十几年不变。
巴拉圭有个左前卫埃斯蒂加里比亚非常强,把阿尔维斯爆到替补去了。他们还有个中场奥蒂哥萨。那身材,简直是麻将牌里的白板
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 11:45:06 | 只看该作者
巴拉圭这个队打得太没有美感了,不喜欢马蒂诺这类球风
北极海 发表于 2011-7-15 11:39


感觉这支巴拉圭,比去年打日本时还厉害,很可能就是打西班牙时那种变态的兴奋劲,但是还不老道,否则如何能让委队最后10多分钟里,连扳2球呢
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 11:49:08 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-7-15 11:50 编辑

设想一下,如果把巴拉圭中后场5-6人,换到阿根廷,与梅西、昆、西瓜、天使等组成队伍,打巴西时会是个什么样子呢?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 11:53:36 | 只看该作者
两位斑竹可否预测一下,阿乌之战,乌队阵型河、战略和战术吗?
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发表于 2011-7-15 11:54:55 | 只看该作者
巴拉圭的后场就个人能力来说不会强于阿根廷
巴拉圭胜在整体防守贯彻的好,全队都注重就地反抢和压迫,换句话说他们是牺牲了部分进攻的力量来换取更高质量的防守,阿根廷不会采用这样的战术。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 11:59:29 | 只看该作者
巴拉圭的后场就个人能力来说不会强于阿根廷
巴拉圭胜在整体防守贯彻的好,全队都注重就地反抢和压迫,换句话说他们是牺牲了部分进攻的力量来换取更高质量的防守,阿根廷不会采用这样的战术。 ...
午时靡深蓝 发表于 2011-7-15 11:54


要的就是整体协防,以及丢球后就地反抢,这给前场支持很大的

阿根廷后卫一个不是危险时候的不该失误,就会招致满盘皆输的不利局势
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发表于 2011-7-15 12:16:23 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 北极海 于 2011-7-15 14:39 编辑

我预测一个乌拉圭周日的首发,不一定完全能猜对

Formation: 4411

GK: Muslera

RB: Maxi Pereira, CB: Lugano & Coates, LB: Caceres

RM: Alvaro Gonzalez, DM: Diego Perez & Arevalo, LM: Alvaro Pereira

SS: Forlan

CF: Suarez

其中9个人应该没有疑问,就是卡塞雷斯和阿尔瓦罗-冈萨雷斯是否会上的问题
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 12:20:14 | 只看该作者
84# 北极海

卡瓦尼?
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86#
发表于 2011-7-15 12:31:38 | 只看该作者
如果上卡瓦尼的话就不能打442了

自从对智利队的下半场开始,塔瓦雷斯就弃433而用442
所以说卡瓦尼更可能出现在替补席作为后手而不是首发

用阿尔瓦罗-冈萨雷斯专门和迪-马里亚兑子应该说也是个不错的选择
因此我预测了上面那个4411
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-15 12:48:35 | 只看该作者
如果上卡瓦尼的话就不能打442了

自从对智利队的下半场开始,塔瓦雷斯就弃433而用442
所以说卡瓦尼更可能出现在替补席作为后手而不是首发

用阿尔瓦罗-冈萨雷斯专门和迪-马里亚兑子应该说也是个不错的选择
因此我预 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-7-15 12:31


卡瓦尼不上,打442,很可能就是世界杯乌拉圭打德国队那样的战术。这种威力也不小,但是弗兰状态能否恢复到75%以上呢?
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88#
发表于 2011-7-15 12:56:44 | 只看该作者
福兰不进球不代表状态很差

乌拉圭最恐怖的还是苏亚雷斯,肯定
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89#
发表于 2011-7-15 15:10:18 | 只看该作者
奥蒂戈萨  桑塔纳 巴里奥斯 马蒂诺 三个我阿球员一个教练 加上在乌鸦的 艾斯蒂加利比亚 阿根廷足球文化深入啊
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90#
发表于 2011-7-15 15:29:06 | 只看该作者
89# DanielCraig

However, Paraguay prefers Italian football...
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发表于 2011-7-15 15:55:47 | 只看该作者
90# 北极海

阿根廷球员和教练品种多样化 瞧比拉尔多。。
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发表于 2011-7-17 18:53:28 | 只看该作者
我预测一个乌拉圭周日的首发,不一定完全能猜对

Formation: 4411

GK: Muslera

RB: Maxi Pereira, CB: Lugano & Coates, LB: Caceres

RM: Alvaro Gonzalez, DM: Diego Perez & Arevalo, LM: Alvaro Pereira

SS: Forlan

CF: Suarez
北极海 发表于 2011-7-15 12:16


这个首发是完全猜中的,除了没做功课了解到科阿特斯实际上停赛

可惜有什么用呢...

塔瓦雷斯下半场安排苏亚雷斯后撤,巴蒂斯塔就再也找不到中场的节奏
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发表于 2011-7-17 19:04:24 | 只看该作者
90兄有空把阿乌之战的ZM分析贴一贴,我想看看他们是如何理解巴蒂斯塔下半场的换人和应对的
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-17 21:25:04 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-7-17 21:28 编辑

Uruguay 1-1 Argentina (AET): Uruguay progress after disciplined defending and superb penalties
July 17, 2011


The starting line-ups

The hosts are out of the Copa America after an engaging 1-1 draw.

Oscar Tabarez kept faith with the same narrow 4-4-1-1 system as against Mexico, although there was one change – Martin Cacares came in for Cristian Rodriguez, with Alvaro Pereira moving forward to the left of midfield.

Sergio Batista named an unchanged XI in broadly the same system as in Argentina’s final group game against Costa Rica.

The game started frantically and then slowed down but remained enjoyable – the two red cards opened up the game, but didn’t produce any more goals.

High tempo

Many Copa America games have been played at a slow pace, but from an Argentina v Uruguay match, you can always count on closing down, tackles and rapid passing early on. Argentina dominated the ball, and like against Mexico, Uruguay tried to press – although the mismatch in systems made it more difficult here. Diego Perez played much higher up than Egidio Arevalo, trying to get into the face of Angel Di Maria, Argentina’s most advanced central midfielder.

Tabarez could afford to play his narrow 4-4-1-1 because of the relative lack of attacking thrust from Argentina’s full-backs. Alvaro Pereira came inside and hassled Gago on the ball, happy to let Pablo Zabaleta receive a pass. Behind Pereira, Martin Caceres generally did a good job on his old Barcelona team-mate Lionel Messi, starting narrow and tracking him inside – it was a good decision by Tabarez to play a converted centre-back there, rather than Pereira. That said, Messi did find space for Gonzalo Higuain’s goal – a drifted left-footed cross after he cut in from the right, in almost identical fashion to a chance which produced a shocking miss from Higuain against Costa Rica.

Perez involved

There were two other factors in the first half – both involved free-kicks and dead ball situations. First, Argentina defended set-pieces abysmally, and Gabriel Milito and Nicolas Burdisso showed no understanding of this situation by constantly giving away cheap free-kicks. Perez had poked in the opener from one of these situations.

Second, Perez himself was charging around the pitch and conceding an amazing number of fouls. He could have been sent-off on at least two occasions before his red card, and Tabarez must have considered replacing him before the inevitable happened. Having been forced to bring on Andres Scotti for Mauricio Victorino at the back because of injury, he probably didn’t want to use up a further sub before half time.

11 v 10

A common complain on ZM is that managers who find their side with a numerical advantage don’t adjust their side. The tactics you think will beat eleven opponents will not necessarily be the tactics that will beat ten – there will be more space on the pitch somewhere, the opposition will be more vulnerable in a certain way, and less dangerous in another.


After Uruguay went down to ten

This was a particularly frustrating example, because the best way to play against ten men is with width – especially, as it happens, because Uruguay here were playing a 4-3-2 formation, and asking their three central midfielders to shift across the pitch constantly (rather than a 4-4-1, for example, which covers the pitch with two banks of four). Tabarez felt he could afford to play this way, again, because of the lack of attacking threat from Argentina’s full-backs.

Indeed, Tabarez didn’t feel the need to make any further substitutions until the second half of extra time, which both demonstrates that Uruguay’s players performed extremely well, but also that Batista and Argentina made life easy for them.

With Messi immediately coming inside into the centre of the pitch with the ball, and Aguero staying wider but hardly a natural winger, Argentina lacked width and played through the middle too much, playing into Uruguay’s hands. The amazing thing was, Argentina had a winger, Di Maria, playing in the centre, drifting inside from the left. They could have afforded to play Fernando Gago and Javier Mascherano as the double pivot (there was little threat from Uruguay coming forward from central midfield), and put Di Maria on either flank to stretch the play and to force Uruguay to work harder. Instead, Argentina remained slow and predictable on the ball, and were far too narrow.

Uruguay’s only hope of a goal was from a set-piece. Luis Suarez put in one of the best performances you’ll ever see at getting opponents booked – both Burdisso and Milito were carded within three second half minutes, and later Mascherano got a second yellow for another foul on Suarez. Forlan’s delivery was often disappointing.

Batista waited until 72 minutes for the first change – Javier Pastore on for Di Maria. Pastore played a couple of great one-twos with Messi, but it’s arguable that he’s not the man to break down a packed defence sitting deep – he’s more dangerous on the counter. Ezequiel Lavezzi, despite his poor form in this tournament, would have been an interesting option, and the introduction of Carlos Tevez for Aguero late on didn’t really make any sense – Tevez continues to show no understanding of the football Argentina are trying to play – his positioning and movement from the wide-left position is very poor.

10 v 10

Mascherano’s red card opened the game up further, and Argentina looked nervous until Lucas Biglia came on as a true holding player – a Gago-Pastore duo was not very secure, and Forlan found space until the change was made. Uruguay were tired by this stage, although with their 4-3-2 formation looking more secure and solid than Argentina’s 4-2-3ish shape, Tabarez was the man who got things right in the extra time period – although they needed an astonishing Fernando Muslera double save to stay in it.

Muslera was also the hero in the shoot-out – and it was almost inevitable that Tevez would be the villain.

Conclusion

Argentina played for 48 minutes with an extra man, and despite the best attacking squad in the world, Batista’s side didn’t score. In fact, they didn’t even look like scoring, and even as the game was in progress, it seemed that Argentina would live to regret not taking advantage in this period.

Four Copa games played on home soil, and Argentina’s only victory was against a Costa Rican U23 side.

Tabarez should be commended for his tactics, however – the starting formation was correct, the way he adapted to going down to ten was correct, and his use of substitutions was brave but successful.
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-17 21:25:44 | 只看该作者
94楼参考译文:占位
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发表于 2011-7-17 21:34:43 | 只看该作者
这场实际打得是个433,我觉得梅西有点太靠边了,特别是下半场,这让中路向前的人只剩下天使一个,天使在这个位置比梅西更没感觉,而且太靠左,和中前场其他人缺乏呼应,后来越来越沉迷于个人盘带。

明显感觉阿根廷在中路很空,天使和梅西距离太远,缺一个人接应一下。

阿根廷这个4222其实结构还可以,但是太缺乏锻炼,执行力不够,碰上乌拉圭这样的强手,受压之下逐步变形成433了,前后场又被切断了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-17 21:36:34 | 只看该作者
踏巴雷氏是勇敢而成功的男人和主帅,而巴蒂似塌执教行为很龌龊,4场家门口的战斗,只赢了哥斯达黎加u23队
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发表于 2011-7-17 21:41:37 | 只看该作者
到了后来,野兽换下KUN,回撤打中场,梅西顶到锋线,实在是很无厘头的一招,野兽虽然在中场可以拿住球,但创造力有限,传不到前锋线上去,等于浪费了梅西的作用,这和老马在世界杯下半时对德国用的招完全一模一样。

后来加时赛后半段阿根廷攻势又起来了,就是梅西又撤回来了,在中场拿球可以向前推进一下。

明明中场的问题,巴蒂斯塔老拿前锋来解决问题,不知道是个什么思路
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-17 21:43:42 | 只看该作者
96# 苍生劫

天使和昆频繁换位可以考虑

西瓜倒是常常后撤来反抢,但是家鸽对阵打铁的乌拉圭,明显节奏都出不来,或许俺没看清楚

下半场可以考虑用巴内加换家鸽,用比利亚换昆,将天使推向昆的位置
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-17 21:45:08 | 只看该作者
到了后来,野兽换下KUN,回撤打中场,梅西顶到锋线,实在是很无厘头的一招,野兽虽然在中场可以拿住球,但创造力有限,传不到前锋线上去,等于浪费了梅西的作用,这和老马在世界杯下半时对德国用的招完全一模一样。
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苍生劫 发表于 2011-7-17 21:41


俺看到一幕是特维斯打中锋,但后来才看清是t11打梅西位置,又是一个散布帝
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