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Alex2011

阿根廷 3-0 哥斯达黎加

首发阵容

昆               西瓜

            梅西  
天使
                 加戈
         小马
                  
萨内蒂             小萨

      小米利托  企鹅

下半场，换上小帕、比利亚、拉维奇
阵型变为 442 或者4312， 1是小帕、2是梅西和拉维奇

内马尔

巴西教练把内马尔换下，是踢假球。鉴定完毕。。。。

pedro

巴西教练把内马尔换下，是踢假球。鉴定完毕。。。。
内马尔 发表于 2011-7-12 14:49

那叫弗雷德情何以堪？

pedro

pedro

Argentina safely through
Atletico Madrid striker Sergio Aguero netted a brace as Argentina played their best football of the Copa America to defeat Costa Rica 3-0 and progress to the final eight of the tournament.  Read

Penelope

Argentina 3-0 Costa Rica: Batista finally changes system, and Argentina progressJuly 12, 2011


The starting line-ups

A much-changed Argentina side finally got a win, mainly thanks to some Lionel Messi magic.

Sergio Batista gave first starts to Gonzalo Higuain, Angel di Maria, Fernando Gago and Sergio Aguero. Carlos Tevez, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Ever Banega and Esteban Cambiasso dropped out.

Ricardo La Volpe brought in Jose Cubero and Cesar Elizondo in midfield, and their shape was similar to their opening day defeat to Colombia.

Argentina were utterly dominant here, recording 17 shots to Costa Rica’s five, becoming the first side in the competition to score three goals in a game.

Costa Rica tactics

Costa Rica sat deep without the ball in a broad 3-5-1-1 system, vaguely similar to the unusual shape North Korea contested last year’s World Cup with, albeit a more attack-minded version than that.

As in the game against Colombia, there was lots of movement, particularly down the left side of the team. Francisco Calvo, Pedro Leal and Cesar Elizondo often seemed to be playing in the same position, such was their tendency to cover each other on runs forward. On the other side, the right-sided midfielder Heiner Mora played much narrower, and the wing-back Jose Salvatierra was pinned back by Aguero.

Argentina shape

The main story in this game was all about Argentina’s new shape, however. Having persevered with the Barcelonaesque 4-3-3 in the opening two games – with little success – Batista’s radically-changed XI was expected to line up in a 4-2-1-3 shape, with Lionel Messi in the hole. This has generally been Batista’s plan B, although a more boxy 4-4-1-1 was also predicted by some.

In fact, it was neither of those shapes – it was a strange, lopsided system that was vaguely a diagonal 4-2-2-2, but featured so much fluidity and movement from the attacking players that it’s difficult to give it a definitive name. Javier Mascherano sat deep in his usual role, with Gago slightly in front of him, to his right. Di Maria was generally in the centre of the pitch in an attacking role, but retreated to become a third midfielder without the ball.

Further forward, Aguero moved around but generally stayed on the left flank, whilst Messi played as a number ten, and Higuain was a traditional centre-forward. All this meant that Argentina didn’t really have anyone on the right – both Messi and Higuain took it in turns to move out to that side, but with right-back Pablo Zabaleta hardly the most technically gifted defender, they lacked an outlet from that position.

Out-and-out striker

Having struggled so far without a permanent frontman, Argentina looked delighted to have an obvious reference point upfront, emphasised by the fact that they looked direct to Higuain for a half-chance within the opening thirty seconds of the game. Like Brazil, Argentina have attempted to play without a true striker – as if the fluidity enjoyed by Barcelona (and others who use a false nine) is a must for any side to play beautiful football.

That may be the ideal, but with little time on the training ground to work on attacking moves and combination play, it appears difficult for international sides to play without a true striker. Just as Brazil turned to Fred to save them against Paraguay, Argentina relied on Higuain here – the centre-forward is being treated as something of a ‘get out of jail free’ card.

In truth, Higuain had a shocking game in front of goal. Messi constantly teed him up for chances, only for the Real Madrid striker to slice the ball over, to fire straight at the goalkeeper, or to miss the ball completely, as he did when presented with a point-blank cross from Messi in the first half.

Messi influence

The key, though, was that Messi was involved. In the first two games, he only had two options – to run with the ball, or to play a through-ball for Lavezzi in the outside-right position. Tevez came inside into his space, and often wasn’t a worthwhile passing option. Here, he had more clear passes ‘on’ – Aguero was the wide forward Messi could look to in order to spread the play, Higuain was the man making runs over the top and providing a physical presence, and Di Maria broke forward from midfield far better than Banega did in the opening two games, connecting midfield and attack.

More crucially, Messi’s role allowed him to find space, and he could run at the ball with speed. Part of this may be simply the fact that he was up against an U23 version of a side ranked 53rd in the World, and perhaps we should expect a good performance from the World’s best player in these circumstances. However, there was an improvement in the way he received the ball – when playing as a false nine he always had his back to goal and was moving away from the danger zone (with only one player, Lavezzi, running towards it) and in the 4-2-1-3, he was picking up the ball deeper than the opposition’s two holding players, again, far too deep.

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This position seemed a happy medium – Di Maria was the man who brought the ball forward from midfield so Messi didn’t have to, and Higuain provided the battering ram presence to occupy the centre-backs. Higuain’s role also worked in a similar way to Javier Hernandez’s at Manchester United, in the way Hernandez forces the opposition to defend deep, opening up space for Wayne Rooney in the whole. Higuain doesn’t quite have that searing pace, but the concept is the same – the centre-backs’ first thought was not Messi, but the centre-forward.

The first goal was lucky – Aguero tapped home an open goal after a deflection and a rebound – but the second and third were excellent, and both involved Messi picking the ball up, running with it, and slipping the ball through to a left-sided attacker to finish – first Aguero, then Di Maria. The runs from the latter two are exactly what Tevez didn’t do, and exactly what Messi wants and enjoys at club level. Having strived to replicate Barcelona-spec Messi by copying Pep Guardiola’s formation, Batista seems to have found Messi’s best form by ditching it entirely.

Conclusion

Argentina have finally arrived. The quality of their performance shouldn’t be overstated considering the standard of opposition, but then Costa Rica put in decent performances against Colombia and Bolivia.The Costa Ricans often defended with nine players behind the ball, and Argentina created enough chances to justify praise of their system.

Batista now has to make a decision about his next line-up – Higuain’s finishing was terrible, yet he played an important part in the way the team played. An unchanged line-up wouldn’t be a surprise, although opposition with a strong left side would relish the lack of protection afforded to Zabaleta.

For Costa Rica, this tournament was purely a learning experience, and they may be out. If so, they’ve acquitted themselves admirably…but a Venezuela win over Paraguay would see them progress to the knockout stage.

Penelope

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thewall

阿根廷对哥斯达黎加简评  


由 李典 发表在GoalHi足球·美洲杯


简单说说对哥斯达黎加之战。GIF太费力，就不做了。

此役由于背水一战必须取胜，因此，巴蒂斯塔的战术明显要积极了许多。我们先看布阵：





这里主要的变化表现在，首先，把马斯切拉诺推前，进攻时压过中场。正如上一贴所述，这样，就使得后场的防守资源不至于严重重叠，也更多地解放了加戈的作用（类比于上一场的巴内加）。而加戈上前后，则更多地分担了上两场梅西的任务，使得梅西不必总是回撤到中场拿球。在这个基础上，撤下右边锋，将这一路的助攻更多地交给插上的右边卫萨巴莱塔，使得梅西在右路活动的空间进一步扩大，角色更加自由。而伊瓜因则顶在最前面，牵扯对方的防线，也给梅西提供传球的机会。最后，迪马利亚相比坎比亚索而言，其位置更加靠前，也更强调带球突破和插入禁区。

这样一来，在阵地进攻中，阿根廷投入的人数明显增加（通常有6-7人），队员之间自然获得了更多相互配合的机会。而整体的压上，更是把对方始终压迫在半场，于是大大增加了控球率，也获得了持续不断的进攻机会。哥斯达黎加本场采用352，但中场线和后卫线之间的空当却很大。一旦阿根廷球员利用技术或者传球突破了中场防守，往往都能获得3打3或者3打4的机会。我前两天一再强调了，以阿根廷前场球员的能力，只要更多地获得这样的机会，破门是迟早的事情，而和具体人员的关系不大。个人认为，这场如果以特维斯顶替伊瓜因的位置，创造的机会未必更少。特维斯的悲剧主要在于，因为他的回防和拼抢能力更强，因此当他上场的时候，往往都是巴蒂斯塔更强调防守反击的时候。这一点在这里暂时不多做讨论。

而在由攻转守的时候，由于马斯切拉诺的压上，更多地照顾到了中场范围的防守，这样加戈的防守压力大大减轻。对方得球后，他不必迅速回撤，而可以展开就地防守，甚至上前进行抢断。从而创造了大量前场断球反击的机会。甚至两个中卫有时也会上前阻截。下图是第二个进球前的示意图，我们看到，当哥斯达黎加进攻时，加戈非但不回防，反而上前抢断，并迅速交给梅西，后者妙传阿圭罗得分。

另外，在本场比赛中，两个边后卫的插上也更加频繁，更加坚决，尤其是右路的萨巴莱塔。由于撤下了右边锋，他几乎在每次进攻中都要上前支援，并多次传中。在由攻转守时，萨巴莱塔的位置也更加靠前。而阿圭罗在左路，和上两场的特维斯相比，则更强调进攻，很少回到本方半场防守。这样，阿根廷就始终对对手保持了进攻压力。以上几点，我们都可以从下图中看到。




上面是哥斯达黎加的一次进攻，此时，阿根廷仍然在对方禁区前保留了伊瓜因和阿圭罗两个攻击点（这在上一场是不可想象的），而加戈并不回防，反而上前试图抢断。萨巴莱塔也仍然留在对方前场。在这个例子中，最后梅西成功断球，迅速传给前场形成2打2。我们同时注意到，哥斯达黎加的阵型在进攻中脱节严重，拖后的两个后卫和中场之间距离巨大，而另一个后卫则突兀地压到了中场。这在哥伦比亚的比赛中也几乎是不可能出现的事情，反映了哥斯达黎加的战术执行力不强。

对于进攻的投入当然是以削弱防守为代价的。加戈和小马上前后，阿根廷在进攻时，后场通常就是2防1或者3防2。其实这本来也是正常的防守人数对比，但巴蒂斯塔在前两场时，却死也不敢这样冒险，非要3防1或5防2不可。下图是一个反击时3防2的例子：



我们看到，由于本方边后卫更多地上前进行助攻，因此在对方反击时不能及时归位，这时候，就需要马诺和1个中卫到边路协防夹击，而另1个中卫做好盯人。幸运地是，本场比赛并没有出现太大的防守漏洞，令人担心的后卫致命失误也没有出现。

但是，考虑到哥斯达黎加的球员，无论技术还是身体还是战术执行力，都不能和上一场的哥伦比亚相比，因此对于本场的成功，也需要冷静思考。加戈本场表现固然出色，但前提是阿根廷实力明显高出一筹，能把对手按在半场狂攻，而不需要他时时迅速回防。一旦遇到强队时，万一他原地抢断抢不下来，而对方的中场和边卫又能够快速投入反击，阿根廷的后防还是非常危险的。这个问题其实上一贴就有讲到，我们还记得对哥伦比亚时，当加戈上场后，由于他压上时回不来，使得后场很快就至少遇到3次险情。进入淘汰赛后，如果加戈还能上场，他的位置必然要略微后撤，这样一来，他的组织作用是否仍然能够最大发挥，还是一个疑问（我们看到本场2:0之后，加戈就回撤到中线，之后的出镜率则大大下降）。

与此同时，哥斯达黎加的后场逼抢，比起上一场也差了一个档次，使阿根廷球员往往能比较轻松地拿球，再观察队友的跑位。当然，个人认为，凭借阿根廷前场的实力，逼抢并不是主要的困难，根本还是兵力的投入问题。进入淘汰赛之后，巴蒂斯塔是否还敢让后场2防1？是否还敢在前场始终保持4个人的投入？个人估计以巴蒂斯塔的性格，应该是不会的，至少上半场不会。目前还不知道下一场的对手是谁，不过下一场，中场肯定会略微回收，特维斯说不定还有机会要上（看中他的防守）。就算特维斯不上，阿圭罗和迪马利亚也必然要更多回防，梅西遇到的困难也肯定要比这一场多。只有万一落后或者打不开局面时，本场的价值才会体现出来。

本场比赛，帕斯托雷上了最后的10分钟。总体来看，拿球和短距离分球的能力不错。但是他的这个位置，在淘汰赛中，巴蒂斯塔最为看重的肯定还是防守和长传的能力，而这些还未得到证明。个人不太看好他在淘汰赛中出场的机会，如果有的话，也应该是在最后需要堆人狂攻的时候了。

paper155

罗梅罗感觉比在世界杯时反应更敏捷了，但他还是有明显技术缺陷，抓球不稳，表现在比赛中很多把球扑出和击出，常常给对手二次进攻的机会
KAY 发表于 2011-7-11 05:49

如果是对方的传球，那不接住是胆小的表现。如果是力量小的射门，一个高素质的守门员也应该在大多数情况下把球拿住，如果是大力射门，你还想让守门员把球拿住，那是超出要求了。或者你举个例子哪个守门员符合你很少把球扑出和击出的标准的？

ychee

56# Penelope

“Messi picking the ball up, running with it, and slipping the ball through to a left-sided attacker to finish – first Aguero, then Di Maria. The runs from the latter two are exactly what Tevez didn’t do”


的确这样。。希望巴蒂斯塔不要再变来变去了 皇马的几个应该太熟悉梅西了 跑位也很有默契

现在的问题就是右路 萨巴莱塔助攻留下的大片空间以及中后卫的速度了。。

Penelope

56# Penelope  

“Messi picking the ball up, running with it, and slipping the ball through to a left-sided attacker to finish – first Aguero, then Di Maria. The runs from the latter two are exactly ...
ychee 发表于 2011-7-13 19:19

是的，左边后卫留下的空档是个风险。

小组第一场丢球，就源于在这个位置的对手一个任意球开始。

10世界杯对阵德国时被动也始于，尽管具体原因不同，但共同的一点均是防守不力造成的。

巴西队被巴拉圭打得很被动，阿尔维斯攻上流下的空档也是如此。

对了，谁先一味埋头进攻就有先丢球的风险，且大。

委内瑞拉与巴拉圭一战，委内瑞拉7分钟不到就先进球了，但是巴拉圭先攻势汹汹

Penelope

Uruguay 1-0 Mexico: Uruguay’s pressing leads to dominance, and progression to the knockouts乌拉圭1-0墨西哥：乌队压迫占据主动和优势因而取胜得以晋级淘汰赛
July 13, 2011


The starting line-ups

Alvaro Pereira’s scrappy goal set up a quarter-final showdown with Argentina. 阿尔瓦罗-佩雷亚混战中进球为乌拉圭谋得C组第二，将在1/4决赛中与阿根廷队较量。

Oscar Tabarez dropped Edinson Cavani and Martin Caceres, bringing in Alvaro Gonzalez and Cristian Rodriguez either side of a narrow 4-4-1-1, moving Alvaro Pereira to left-back. 奥斯卡-塔巴雷斯首发阵容中撤下艾丁森-卡瓦尼和马丁-卡塞雷斯，换上阿尔瓦罗-贡萨雷斯和克里斯蒂安-罗德里格斯出任两边翼，形成前窄的4-4-1-1阵形，其中将阿尔瓦罗-佩雷亚移到左边卫位置上。

Luis Fernando Tena made one change, with Miguel Ponce replacing Javier Aquiano. Mexico also lined up in a broad 4-4-1-1 system, with Giovani dos Santos behind Rafael ‘Lugo’ Marquez.

Uruguay played far better than in their previous two games, and only wastefulness in front of goal prevented them from recording a greater victory.

Mexico are now out, and Tena’s main priority here was to give experience to his young squad – the half time removal of his two most established players, dos Santos and Paul Aguilar (neither of whom had endured a bad first half) when Mexico were chasing the game at half time, indicated that his tactics were not primarily based around winning the game. Instead, we’ll focus on Uruguay, and their improvement.

Pressing

With the exception of Chile throughout the competition, Uruguay put on the best display of pressing we’ve seen at the Copa America. Diego Forlan and Luis Suarez worked tirelessly from the front, and it helped that the formations were ‘matched’, so Uruguay’s players each had a man to close down.

Mexico sometimes got out of the press when Diego Reyes moved deeper, but Forlan was happy to continue closing down in that deeper position, and Mexico rarely got out of their own half.

Width from left-back

A complaint in ZM’s report on Uruguay’s first game, against Peru, was that Cacares at left-back displayed little attacking prowess, mainly because he is very right-footed and therefore had problems stretching the play. The use of Alvaro Pereira at left-back, rather than in the left-sided midfield role he more frequently takes up at international level, effectively solved this problem. The use of a narrow midfield four meant that the possibility of overlapping runs was important – although as it happened, the early lead through Pereira’s goal meant that Uruguay’s full-backs took up more conservative positions.

The goal was a scrappy tap-in from a set-piece, but it means Pereira how has a record of five goals in 30 international appearances, a decent record for someone in his position(s). It will also boost his confidence and make Tabarez likely to stick with him for the game against Argentina – potentially crucial, considering how Sergio Batista effectively played without a right-winger in the win over Costa Rica.

Forlan drops deep + wide midfielders run on

A little like Gonzalo Higuain the previous evening, Forlan’s contribution to the shape of the side compensates for a poor game in front of goal – he’s had more shots than any other player at the Copa, but is yet to score. He moved into very deep positions to pick up the ball – and although he’d done this in previous games, here he had two midfield runners who looked to exploit the space, and therefore there was more fluidity and cohesion to Uruguay’s attacking movement. Suarez also seemed happy as an out-and-out striker, working the channels and moving to both flanks.

The other effect of the two wide players coming inside was to flood the centre of the pitch, a little like the way Villarreal play. This helped them keep possession for long periods, and ultimately resulted in chances being created.

Two holders + man-marking

As usual, Diego Perez and Egidio Arevalo worked brilliantly in the centre of the pitch, scrapping and breaking up play ahead of the centre-back. At the World Cup and Copa America, Tabarez has used 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-4-1-1, 4-3-3, 3-4-3 and a lopsided 4-4-2 diamond – but has never broken up the Perez-Arevalo combination.

At the back, Diego Lugano and Sebastian Coates tracked their respective strikers a long way across the pitch, often swapping side as they did so because of the movement of dos Santos and Marquez. Coates had another good game.

Conclusion

Just as Argentina finally found form after making sweeping changes, Uruguay have done similar. In terms of personnel it was less dramatic – only two changes – but with Pereira changing position too, plus a different shape to the way the front two played, it was a vastly different Uruguay side as a whole.

The game with Argentina will be interesting, particularly in terms of how Tabarez deals with Messi – the Perez-Arevalo combination will be needed more than ever. As always with Tabarez, however, the rest of the side is entirely up for debate – which means it should be a fascinating tactical battle.

Penelope

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Alex2011

Brazil 4-2 Ecuador: Brazil finally grab a win
July 14, 2011

The starting line-ups

An open game was always likely to favour Brazil, and they took advantage to confirm their progression to the knockout stage.

Mano Menezes changed his right side completely – Robinho and Maicon replaced Jadson and Dani Alves.

Reinaldo Rueda left out Segundo Castillo in the centre of midfield, with Oswaldo Minda coming in.

Brazil turned in their most impressive display in the Copa so far, though they still lacked cohesion upfront, and remain a little nervous at the back.

Ecuador tactics

Ecuador defended with two banks of four, but the key to their attacking play was fluidity. The talented Christian Noboa sat just ahead of Minda in midfield and looked to distribute the ball cleverly to the front players, but ahead of that it was difficult to give set roles to the attacking four.

Christian Benitez started as the left-winger but always wanted to move forward into his natural position as a striker, and so Felipe Caicedo sometimes moved out to that flank when the ball was lost. On the other side, Michael Arroyo and Edison Mendez played deeper, but also sometimes alternated.

Brazil shape

More interest stemmed from Brazil’s side. The major news was that Maicon replaced Alves after the Barcelona full-back played poorly in the previous game against Paraguay. It was notable how different they are as players, particularly in the way they attack. Alves is excellent at making off-the-ball runs down the right, but Maicon much prefers motoring forward on the ball, as he did most obviously for the final goal, which he assisted for Neymar to tap in.

It’s arguable that Maicon or Alves should be picked according to the type of player ahead of them. Alves always wants the player in front of him to stay in the centre of the pitch in order to leave space – he spent much of the Scotland game telling Jadson to get out of his way. Jadson learned his lesson by the time the Copa came around, and his role against Paraguay meant he could afford to play narrower anyway, because of a change in the shape of the midfield. Therefore, Alves was decent in an attacking sense.

However, if Menezes wants to play Robinho – more of a winger who will make direct forward runs – Alves won’t have that space to exploit. In that case, it might be better to have Maicon there, who can push forward with the ball at his feet.

Elsewhere, Ramires remained to the right of Lucas Leiva, and put in a good contribution with his off-the-ball running. Brazil were more compact than in the previous two games – Ganso’s positioning has improved immeasurably since the opening day disappointment against Venezuela – he comes and picks up the ball in deep if he can’t receive it between the lines, and Ramires shuttling forward meant that this section of the side was fluid, rather than the ‘broken team’ we saw in the first game.

Ecuador let Brazil play

Brazil were helped by a sloppy attitude from Ecuador. They stood off Brazil and let them play – often simply standing ten yards away and letting the opponent pick a good pass, as was the case when Andre Santos crossed for Pato’s header.

This attitude from Ecuador was combined with the necessity that they had to win the game. And, whilst they never looked likely to do that, this meant they they did try to push forward, leaving spaces in midfield for Brazil to break through. In the next round, where Brazil will face Paraguay again, they’ll face a completely different challenge – a side putting men behind the ball and trying to soak up pressure.

Conclusion

This tournament was something of a disaster for Ecuador – two games where they failed to score, followed by a defeat. A couple of decent moments brought them two goals, but there was little to suggest they’ve been harshly done by in this tournament, finishing with a single point.

Maicon was an improvement on Alves – less dodgy defensively, more threatening on the ball. The reintroduction of Robinho was less successful – he contributed little on the ball and his movement and positioning was inferior to Neymar’s in a wide position. Menezes might find another creative midfielder, playing deeper and narrower, more useful in the knockout stage. Jadson did reasonably well against Paraguay, and he might be the answer for the repeat of that contest.

Alex2011

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Alex2011

原来，巴西人也打起了4213
上麦孔等人，看来卫冕冠军决不是仅仅是锻炼队伍那么简单的

北极海

巴西人一直在打4213

打巴拉圭的小组赛稍有变化，介于4213、4222和4231之间
主要是由于内马尔和雅德松（后换为埃拉诺）的位置比较活

但根本上，巴西队是双后腰+单前腰+三前锋框架

北极海

巴西4-2胜厄瓜多尔的比赛没看，但是麦孔比阿尔维斯表现好是可以预料的

巴西做不到像巴萨那样场均70%的控球率，并把后防线推到离底线40-45米的距离
这样阿尔维斯防守力的缺陷就容易被对手所利用了

Alex2011

巴西人一直在打4213

打巴拉圭的小组赛稍有变化，介于4213、4222和4231之间
主要是由于内马尔和雅德松（后换为埃拉诺）的位置比较活

但根本上，巴西队是双后腰+单前腰+三前锋框架 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-7-15 11:22

打巴拉圭时，上小卢卡斯不下干索，是两个前腰在场吧

北极海

小卢卡斯上去之后在边路活动较多，和甘索有明显的分工，但他没什么表现

Alex2011

巴西4-2胜厄瓜多尔的比赛没看，但是麦孔比阿尔维斯表现好是可以预料的

巴西做不到像巴萨那样场均70%的控球率，并把后防线推到离底线40-45米的距离
这样阿尔维斯防守力的缺陷就容易被对手所利用了 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-7-15 11:25

是的，麦孔这场上前助攻，压住了对手，使巴西人这一路被打反击的风险降到了最小，但是巴拉圭冲击和厄瓜多尔冲击，还是区别很大的。

厄瓜多尔进2球，是巴西两个中卫松懈，以及塞萨尔的疏忽，但是连吃同一人同样的射门，是件诡异的事情

午时靡深蓝

巴西这支球队，如果你给他们足够空间的话，威胁非常大，巴西球员与生俱来的技术和速度自不消说，他们投入进攻的兵力也非常多，有时只留卢卡斯，席尔瓦和卢西奥这仨在后场，这也是利用人数优势弥补攻击手年轻，决定性不够的劣势。
所以对上这支巴西队，一定要坚决的压缩空间，甚至可以不惜以犯规来破坏他们的节奏，而且这支巴西队普遍畏惧贴身逼抢，或者是在被限制空间的情况下发挥大大下降，甘索，内马尔，帕托，卢卡斯，拉米雷斯等无不如此。

Alex2011

巴西这支球队，如果你给他们足够空间的话，威胁非常大，巴西球员与生俱来的技术和速度自不消说，他们投入进攻的兵力也非常多，有时只留卢卡斯，席尔瓦和卢西奥这仨在后场，这也是利用人数优势弥补攻击手年轻，决定性 ...
午时靡深蓝 发表于 2011-7-15 11:31

对头，厄瓜多尔不压缩，只是很开放的对攻，但是能收获2个进球，还一度追平比分，也很有意思的

北极海

72# 午时靡深蓝

智利这个欧化南美队，每次碰巴西都是惨烈的大败，这个现象很有趣

不知道这次如果半决赛再遭遇，博尔吉能不能一雪前耻

午时靡深蓝

73# Alex2011
厄瓜多尔这个进两球的凯赛多是个牛逼人物，坚决果断。在今年的西甲也打进了十几个球，我记得还进了巴萨一球，戏耍了皮克（好像是皮克犯2了）
巴拉圭打巴西那场压迫的非常不错。巴拉圭的身体优势和在定位球里的争顶能力非常强，很庆幸阿根廷是碰乌拉圭而不是巴拉圭。