11-12 ZM专贴（拜仁1-1蓝军：客队赢得点球大战）

Alex2011

瓜帅此役3后卫安排中，竟然没有一个纯正的中卫，如此诡异创新，不禁令人胡乱联系到我国俗语“不孝有三，无后为大”

Alex2011

这个3-4-3阵形并不新鲜，但诡异的是，3名后卫中仅有一个科班出身，其他2个都是后腰来客串，
而且更刁的是，小马还客串右边后卫来

北极海

343不鲜见，菱形中场的343也有先例（比如其变体3313）
真正少见的是没有专职边路防守的343

考虑到潜水艇实际上并没有纯粹的边锋，巴莱罗和卡尼都不是真正意义上的边前卫
瓜迪奥拉这么做是有道理的

此人正在成为一位战术大师，或许，已经是

Penelope

343不鲜见，菱形中场的343也有先例（比如其变体3313）
真正少见的是没有专职边路防守的343

考虑到潜水艇实际上并没有纯粹的边锋，巴莱罗和卡尼都不是真正意义上的边前卫
瓜迪奥拉这么做是有道理的

此人正在成为一 ...
北极海 发表于 2011-8-31 00:00

看看这个，有人称之为163式343

俺的这期题目原来叫“瓜帅变阵343首创单后卫”，后来改为“无后为大”是戏虐说法，特指无中卫而已

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瓜帅赛后“流言”

巴萨主帅瓜迪奥拉赛后称赞了马斯切拉诺和凯塔：“他们就像两束阳光，如此完美。执教他们这样的球员让我的教练生涯变得有意义。”
“别想从我身边带走马斯切拉诺和凯塔，因为他们是我的孩子。他们是两束阳光。马斯切拉诺是阿根廷队长。他们是两位完美的球员。执教他们这样的球员让我的教练生涯变得有意义。”

关于三后卫的阵容，瓜帅表示：“我们只有一个纯后卫，我的想法是很多球员在中场多传球。在超级杯之后，我们的休息时间很少，我们踢了一场出色的比赛，并结束了赛季前的所有赛程，因为我一直都以为第一场或者第二场联赛之后其他比赛才会结束，在国家队集训之后。我们非常满意。如果所有球员都能用的话，或许我们没必要改变阵容，但或许有这个必要。我们踢得很好，很满足。这场胜利可以给我们带来自信，并且帮助我们前进了一步。”

关于巴尔德斯——“为了纪念巴尔德斯出场次数追平苏比萨雷塔，我特意安排了三名后卫，因为他是第一个在这样的后防阵容中吃到苦头的人。我们希望巴尔德斯能参与传球。传球比停球更重要。我们踢得很好，但是我们不是一支拥有伟大能力的球队，因此我们会想办法黏住球。”

“没有马斯切拉诺和阿比达尔的话，我根本不敢这么做，他们是两位身体素质很好的球员。”被问及阿尔维斯是否能在这一体系中担任中卫，瓜帅回答说：“阿尔维斯可以踢中卫的位置，因为他有能力，但是这样他的活动范围就会被局限，他就没法去前场。但是他已经向我证明了，如果你今天对他说了要控制好，他就能做到。他几乎是不可替代的。如果我们还需要这样踢的话，只要我们要求达尼，他会这么做。在这个阵容当中，他也能在边路活动。我们人手很少，但是都是多面手。”

此外，瓜迪奥拉还谈到了小法：“球队签约了一名球员，你当然希望他能适应球队，一切顺利。小法有优势，他是自家人，他非常了解这些球员们。他还有一个优势，那就是他才23岁就做了英格兰一家非常重要的俱乐部的队长，因此他有自己的性格。我们知道他应该找到球队的节奏，但是我们很满意他和桑切斯的表现，尽管智利球员今天显得有点吃力。”

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北京时间8月30日，西甲第2轮的最后一场比赛中巴萨以5-0大胜比利亚雷亚尔。赛后技术统计显示，巴萨占据绝对优势，控球率更是高达75%，而比利亚雷亚尔全场仅有5脚射门，只有卡穆尼亚斯的一脚命中门框范围内，且全场无角球。

	巴萨	比利亚雷亚尔
比分	5	0
射门(射正)	18(9)	5(1)
犯规	15	14
角球	12	0
越位	2	3
控球率	75%	25%
黄牌	3	3
红牌	0	0
扑救	1	4

数据来源：ESPN

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巴萨343阵型的前世和今生

由 米亚伊奇 发表在GoalHi足球·西甲专区

克鲁伊夫“梦一队”时期的343打法





作为最标准的全攻全守阵型，343被克鲁伊夫带到了巴萨，而从他执掌红蓝军团开始，这种阵型也成为了巴萨“梦一队”的基本阵型。

在克鲁伊夫的球队中，3名后卫在进攻时往往变成只剩1到2名拖在中场防守，处于边后卫位置的球员往往前插暂时充当边锋，这和今天瓜迪奥拉433体系中阿尔维斯和阿德里亚诺的作用相仿。

而在整个体系中，最关键的当属后腰和前腰两个位置。后腰位置就是我们今天习惯说的巴萨4号位，当时处于该主力位置的是瓜迪奥拉，他的活动范围较为固定，防守时处于中卫前形成一道屏障，进攻时除了充分发挥组织作用外，更多处于中圈位置，以确保在边卫前插助攻时可以及时防范对手的反击。值得一提的是，当时巴萨4号位储备十分充足，除了瓜迪奥拉外，还有米利亚和阿莫尔两名超级中场，这和今天“梦三队”拥有哈维、蒂亚戈、小法、凯塔、布斯克茨的情形很像。

除了传统4号位外，前腰位置对于整个进攻体系也十分重要，司职这一位置的是巴克罗，他才是这支球队真正的攻击线核心，他的传关键球能力十分出色，今天小法身上就可以看到他的影子。

至于进攻线上的三前锋则奠定了此后巴萨的三叉戟传统，无论是范加尔的2323阵型（其实是433的一种变种），还是里杰卡尔德和瓜迪奥拉的433，三前锋战术一直沿用至今。

里杰卡尔德“梦二队”失败的343试验



不过随着被功利足球击败，巴萨也开始寻求改变，在范加尔时期最终确立了此后“梦二”和“梦三”王朝所一直依赖的433阵型，在这个时期已经基本抛弃了原来的3后卫阵型。

而到了里杰卡尔德时期的“梦二队”，433是坚定不移的不变踢法，但是黑天鹅也曾尝试过变阵343。在06/07赛季后半段，巴萨在国王杯被萨拉戈萨淘汰后状态一直糟糕，为了寻求改变，里帅在联赛再次遭遇萨拉戈萨时将阵型变为了343，荷兰人将小罗推至中锋位置，让梅西和久利分居两侧，希望起到奇阵制胜的作用，只可惜在中锋位置的小罗没有起到里杰卡尔德所预期的效果，被加布里埃尔-米利托完全冻结，至于梅西也同样受困于迪奥戈的防守，基本碌碌无为。在比赛的后半段，黑天鹅不得不派上赞布罗塔和古德约翰森，将阵型变回了433。

可以说这是一次失败的实验，在赛后里杰卡尔德坦承变阵是希望激发梅西和小罗之间的反应，已达到两人可以灵活换位的作用，只是事实证明这并不有效。而小罗则表示对于这种343阵型，球队之前已经演练很久了。

瓜迪奥拉“梦三队”的163式433



瓜迪奥拉绝对称得上是一位战术大师，这支巴萨达到现在的高度和其大胆的战术改革是分不开的，比如梅西改踢前腰、阿尔维斯比赛中充当边锋等等。而今天他又大胆让球队阵型回归了其当年还是球员时的343。

这次改变并不容易，甚至可以称得上是被动为之。因为球队在本场比赛只有阿比达尔1名主力后卫可用，而考虑到其一向对丰塔斯、巴尔特拉乃至蒙托亚在大场面下的不信任，瓜帅最终选择了有着丰富后卫经验的中场球员布斯克茨和马斯切拉诺来和阿比达尔构成防线。

当然瓜迪奥拉的这次变阵很大程度上还来源于对自己球队中场的信任，尽管哈维坐在了替补席上，但是凯塔、蒂亚戈、法布雷加斯和伊涅斯塔组成的中场面对失去卡索拉的潜水艇还是有着绝对的统治力。而比赛开始后也证明了这点，凯塔在后腰位置似乎找到了迷失已久的自己，他很好的发挥了自己的兽腰本色，主动防守范围大、身体强壮、灵活性以及对整个体系的熟悉都让他很好的控制了中场的防守，全场比赛他基本没让布斯克茨受到太多考验。

在凯塔身前的是蒂亚戈，他更多起到的是哈维平时所产生的连接作用，在小法和伊涅斯塔更多参与直接进攻以及哈维替补出场的情况下，他的传球次数全场最高。而和巴萨“梦一队”不同的是，当年瓜迪奥拉在4号位的作用如今被两人所分担，其中凯塔专注防守，蒂亚戈则主要参与组织进攻，其中巴萨小将在中场挑传帮助桑切斯破门那球就是一个标准的巴萨4号式助攻，而那个进球则来源于凯塔分担防守任务后，他能够利用空隙全力插上进攻。

相信看过比赛的童鞋都会注意到，比赛中最直接的威胁很多来源于梅西和法布雷加斯之间的配合。本场比赛小法经常和梅西实现换位，其实这点和克鲁伊夫“梦一队”时期很类似，前腰位置的巴克罗除了频繁利用出色的一脚传球帮助队友外，还时不时和中锋位置的罗马里奥或者萨利纳斯以及边路的斯托伊奇科夫实现位置上的偶尔交换，已达到来开对手防线的目的。而今天的比赛就不时会看到小法顶在中锋位置而梅西回撤或者小法拉到右路和桑切斯换位的镜头。

当然这样的变阵也不是毫无漏洞的，相比于惯常的433，佩德罗和桑切斯在这种打法下显得有些拘谨，他们的威胁在今天的比赛中都大幅度减小，再加上阿尔维斯如果回归，届时还敢不敢使用这种战术也将存在疑问，更何况这种343打法在对决超级强队时的效果还有待考察。当然可以预计的是，由于巴萨惯常433在如今足坛已经具有绝对的统治力，如今的343变阵并不会成为巴萨的一种主流打法。

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大话巴萨343，体系是浮云！（节选一）

作者：波尔森 发表日期：2011-8-4 19:13:00 『球迷一家』

     看了巴萨1比4输给芝华士的录像，由布斯克茨的场上位置想起一个问题，有了点奇思妙想，意淫了一个下午忍不住，决定写出来。

     我意淫的就是－－－瓜迪奥拉一定会在下个赛季试验343阵型！

　　一直觉得业余球迷讨论阵型是很装逼的行为，其实阵型并不代表了具体的打法，没有过多的内涵。但是阵型的概念有个优点就是如同经济学里引进数学模型一样－－－模型远比现实的经济世界简化，也存在着诸多不可操作的假设，但它能够很好地解释这个世界里经济活动的基本规律，甚至可以预测未来。>>>返回“球迷一家”看更多精彩帖子
阵型也是如此，当我们打开电视机，看到球员们鱼贯入场，一场大战即将开始，此时最迫切的的就是希望转播方能够打出一张阵型图，这显然比单纯地列出双方22人名单更有意义，先让人对比赛的咸淡基调有个认识，也基本对一个球队的比赛心态有个大概揣摩。
　　阵型说穿了只是一个场上10名球员站位的概括，随着比赛的进行，攻防的转换，人员的位置也会随之改变。看一个球队的阵型是如何的，最好的方法就是观察他们对手开球时候他们的站位，以及对方守门员开门球时，守方的站位。
　　从上赛季的几次试验（冬歇过后）和最近两场热身赛的迹象来看（主要是布斯克茨的位置），瓜迪奥拉很有可能在新赛季打出343阵型。 瓜迪奥拉对于布斯克茨位置的定位将是关键，这个后面讲。新赛季如果打343，也许会遭遇挫折，也许会半途而废，也有可能会让巴萨变得更强，这里只是我的一点猜想，就当是YY吧。大家轻拍板砖，回帖的话千万别开口就骂，来上一句“楼主你说得不对”，然后再开始讲，才是和谐社会。
　　
　　这三年来瓜迪奥拉的极端控球型打法，早已改变了巴萨传统意义上中后卫的职责，也引起了人们对于中后卫在这支巴萨中扮演的角色的思考。
　　我们知道，现代足球，很多球员可以打不同位置，俗称万金油，当球队需要时，随时可以换个位置打，比如曾经的小白客串后腰，小罗客串中锋，不过中后卫是万万不能随便客串的，因为中后卫的职责是拱卫本队最后的防线，就好比人身上的内裤，你外套能够在特殊情况下借穿别人的将就，哪怕大一码小一码。但是内裤一定要穿自己的，最后的防线，马虎不得，如果穿了别人的，或者找来一条压根不符合你自己尺码的女式内裤客串，那就会让你的蛋不是晃得慌就是挤得晃，生不如死。
　　不同于任何别的教练，瓜迪奥拉上任以来，居然有五次在重大比赛中启用客串球员打中后卫，09年欧冠半决赛第二回合对切尔西，09年欧冠决赛对曼联，11年四分之一决赛第二回合对阿森纳，11年半决赛对皇马，11年决赛对曼联。这五次，每一次都是生死攸关，要么是直接争冠的决赛，要么就是胜负未决的淘汰赛第二回合，这几次，巴萨分别上了图雷、布斯克茨、马斯切拉诺这等在职业生涯根本没在中后卫职位上打过哪怕个位数场次正式比赛的球员，这些临时演员面对过速度型、力量型、整体型等各种类型攻击线的冲击，奇怪的是效果还非常好。蛋好无损。
　　那么现在瓜迪奥拉有没有可能真正放手，让球队只存在一个专职中后卫呢？
　　我个人认为，从最近热身赛的情况来看，瓜迪奥拉绝对好好思考过这个问题了，两次在热身赛用布斯克茨去顶替原本的一个中后卫位置，不是单纯的为了玩票，下个赛季，343至少会在三线比赛中大范围试验，或者干脆就将此作为固定打法。
　　
　　我们回到20年前那支克鲁伊夫的梦一队，那支球队中，瓜迪奥拉就是站在三个后卫身前，前面放上三个中场攻击手，边路再有两个，禁区里再站一个中锋，大概就是三后卫加小菱形四人中场，加上前面的双边锋单前锋， 三个后卫绝非传统意义上的三中卫，而是至少有一路边卫频频插上助攻的。这个343打遍西甲无敌手，豪取四连冠，还在1992年拿下欧冠，这个成绩在足球历史上虽然称不上旷古烁今，但因为这崇尚攻击、大量敷设攻击球员在场上的打法，也为这支梦之队争得了世界级的声誉。
　　瓜迪奥拉作为那支梦之队的见证人、亲历者，自然对这种叫好又叫座的打法心向往之，那支梦之队，真正的中后卫只有一人，却接受了历史的检验，防守上没有出问题，球队靠着强大的攻击力，照样年年拿冠军。

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大话巴萨343，体系是浮云！（续一）

作者：波尔森 发表日期：2011-8-4 19:13:00 『球迷一家』

      我们再来看09年半决赛第一回合，普约尔吃到黄牌停赛，0比0的比分使第二回合变成了拼刺刀生死战，不容有失。在第二回合开打前，队内拥有很多种后防补救方案，一是启用卡塞雷斯，二是阿比达尔中移，左路再上希尔维尼奥，但瓜迪奥拉却将亚亚图雷放在了中后卫位置上，记得后来的采访中，亚亚图雷提到，那时候只有一周的时间，而此前自己根本没打过后卫，他天天晚上和自己的哥哥科洛图雷打电话寻求指点。如此重要的比赛，敢于用一个客串球员去打中后卫，真的很令人吃惊。
　　为什么一定要亚亚图雷？因为瓜迪奥拉对于控球有着偏执的追求，即使是后卫，你可以防守能力差，但是控球、传球能力一定要符合巴萨的水准，卡塞雷斯就是因为这一点被废掉的，后来瓜迪奥拉狂热追求齐格林斯基也是这个原因，人家虽然被阿圭罗完爆，可那巡航导弹班的长传能力实在太吸引瓜哥了。
　　亚亚图雷虽然有粘球的毛病，但是个人技术过硬，能控制住球，传球能够到位，所以就临危受命，勇挑大梁，惊险淘汰了切尔西。
　　随后的决赛，依然如此，图雷继续客串右中后卫，并且很好地限制了鲁尼在左路的冲击，巴萨顺利拿下冠军。
　　亚亚图雷在两场球中，作为中卫来考核是不合格的，单是那场决赛，开场就被安德森穿裆，后来又禁区内玩倒钩解围失误，这就是找中场球员客串后卫的代价，不过巴萨凭借着强大的中前场，亚亚图雷并没有再遭受什么考验，反而是其出色的技术屡屡支援中场。
　　
　　刚刚过去的赛季瓜迪奥拉变本加厉，在普约尔受伤期间，先是用了布斯克茨打中后卫，后来调成马斯切拉诺，当然，这两人的调动并不是由于布斯克茨防守不合格（他打中后的欧冠比赛对手零射门），而是出于需要布斯克茨支援前场的原因，马斯切拉诺也是没试过这个位置（据说很早的时候在阿甲客串过几场，基本仍算个新手），可是依然凭借前场稳定的控球压迫优势，减少了后防遭受对方轮番冲击的次数，让马斯切拉诺游刃有余，圆满完成任务。
　　可以说，现在的这支巴萨，在面对绝大多数对手时，两个中后卫是一种富余、甚至是浪费的配置，瓜迪奥拉现在也许已经在筹划着设计一套梦一队时的343阵型，给世人一种新的打法。最合理最经济地把球权、空间配置给全队每一个人。
　　首先就是后场得三个后卫。如果真打343，瓜迪奥拉的性格，不会上那种保守的三中后卫，阿尔维斯仍将出现在右后卫位置上。一句话，当你每场拥有6成以上控球率时，增加攻击力不是冒进，而是理智。梦一时也是如此，即使三后卫无边前卫，两个边后卫也冲得欢。
　　众所周知，目前的阿尔维斯在巴萨是既当边后卫又当边锋使的，但这并不意味着阿尔维斯的边路突击能力有多逆天，让我说句心里话，阿尔维斯的个人能力没有一项是独步天下的，突破来说，技术一般，盘带能力还没那么细腻，下底吧，传中又不是很靠谱，萨尼奥尔、奥多的销魂四十五度小传中可以完爆阿尔维斯。这两项能力综合起来，远的不说，就是去比巅峰卡福，阿尔维斯也要差上三分。
　　不过阿尔维斯最大的优点就是各项能力很平均，传带跑控都可以在巴萨立足，你要他和梅西打打二过一吧，他还能来那么两下，而且思路还挺像那么回事的，你让他冻结对方边锋吧，他大多数时候也还能应付，纵深奔跑能力也不错，体力充沛，补位积极，他虽然没有顶级边锋那么犀利，也没有顶级后卫那么稳健，不过贵在平均，所以才有了目前的身价和足坛江湖地位，在世界最佳右后卫的评选上，也算一路诸侯。
　　当年有梅西在右路捣腾的时候，阿尔维斯还没现在这么被当畜牲使，又要跑上又要跑下的，更多时候是隔岸观火时刻注意回防，再伺机和梅西打打配合。而自从2010年瓜迪奥拉将梅西中移、右边的佩德罗又没那么强的制造威胁能力时，阿尔维斯就得频频跑上去打边锋，助攻次数远比来巴萨的第一个赛季多得多。
　　其实自从梅西中移之后，巴萨最需要的一个人是能够在右路真正能够靠个人能力生吃马塞洛、埃弗拉这些后卫的猛人，而不是阿尔维斯、佩德罗这样隔靴搔痒的战略性突破手。桑切斯的到来，为这种打法提供了基本元素。桑切斯除了突破犀利，还有一点和别的边锋不一样的，就是拼抢积极，也是体力无限丢球就拼命反抢的那种。他不管出现在右路还是左路，都能够在阵地战时协同三后卫里那个边卫防守。
　　
　　还有一点，前场的变化，就是梅西中移带来的新思考。刚刚过去这个赛季，梅西被固定在中路打中锋，很多时候是顶在最前面散步，但面对强敌时一般还是回撤中场和哈维、小白构成三核，互相传递找机会。这时候前面就缺一个杀手，既能使对方后卫忌惮自己从而腾不出人手去上抢梅西，又能使梅西在个人突破扯出缺口以后把球送入禁区去交给这样一个射手解决问题，本来这个人应该是比利亚，各项素质符合上述要求－－－跑位飘忽，射术精湛，把握机会能力强。如果巴萨能够打三后卫，那么腾出的一个位置就是给葫芦娃的，专职中锋，负责进球。
　　比利亚的跑位真的是很强的，可以作为前锋的教科书，今年欧冠决赛巴萨打进的第一球，其实在哈维传给佩德罗之前，比利亚就有过一个很贼的跑位，送出去就是单刀，可惜哈维没有调整好，又连续拨了几下球再传出去（如果换成调整能力更强的小白就会在带球时第一时间送出去了）。当然后来传给佩德罗也是神来之笔，我在这里说比利亚的跑位好，和这次哈维最终处理球的选择不矛盾。
　　我想，下赛季会否会出现以下的阵形，中后卫皮克，左后卫普约尔（或阿比达尔，不过个人认为阿比哥今年遭此一劫，为了健康和家庭考虑，不应再在足球场上过分拼杀了，发挥一下余热即可，毕竟，五脏六腑动过刀后，怎么说还是小心为上，足球和生活相比，什么也不是），右后卫阿尔维斯，有人会问都打三个后卫了阿尔维斯还顶得住吗？我觉得只要前面有专职右边锋，阿尔维斯乖乖待在后面，个人能力完全胜任三后卫体系。
　　布斯克茨打后腰，也就是瓜迪奥拉当年那个位置，前面是哈维小白梅西（目前有哪个中场能够顶得住这三人？），左右两边佩德罗、桑切斯，中锋比利亚。
　　这个阵型打下去，假以时日，哈维退役之后，必定是布斯克茨掌控全队节奏（如梦一瓜迪奥拉，只负责由守转攻），小白和另一个中场打理中场（这实质上是真正的“掌控节奏，就是进攻时的出球选择），梅西会是进攻核心，拿球次数是最多的。

pedro

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大话巴萨343，体系是浮云！（续二）

作者：波尔森 发表日期：2011-8-4 19:13:00 『球迷一家』

      但在后防上也有一种可能是普约尔在最中间，皮克偏左，因为三后卫中的中间那一个，对速度是要求非常高的，因为造越位时这个人是指挥官，马蹄形的最后端，一旦造越位失败，他是回追最有效的一个，速度跟不上，将会是最大隐患。这一点，皮克和年迈的普约尔都不是完美选择，这一点也许会是瓜迪奥拉放弃试验343的最主要原因。
　　真希望巴萨能够再引进拥有一个类似于梦一时科曼或者巅峰阿亚拉那样防空、速度兼具的极品后卫，那么打这个三后卫，会更加如鱼得水。
　　
　　其实说到底，阵型还不是最重要的，这里罗嗦了半天几后卫几中场，实质焦点还是教练对本队攻防任务分配的权衡，瓜迪奥拉从最早的四后卫加图雷到后来的四后卫加布影帝，再到后来布影帝客串后卫，人员配置是越来越大胆，越来越不保守。343在人员配置上，明显就要比目前的打法更冒险，也更积极，场面会更好看，这才是我们值得期待的。
　　
　　既然谈到了阵型，就忍不住说一下别人最喜欢议论的“巴萨体系”问题，其实这是个伪命题，何谓体系？体系的定义是什么？
　　其实没有什么体系这样玄乎的东西，巴萨没有什么特殊的体系，那些什么三角传球、迅速反抢，不是体系，是世界上千千万万个职业俱乐部都在做，都在练的东西，那不叫什么“巴萨体系”，而是足球基本技战术，就算是恒大，他们每天也在琢磨怎么把球能倒起来，怎么能把对方溜猴，然后再由某个“体系大脑”来一记所谓“闭着眼睛也知道自己同伴跑到哪”的“体系式直塞”，然后进球。每个队都是这些“体系”，因为这是足球的本质，是基本规律。
　　区别就在于恒大没法把皇马溜起来，还要被人溜，但是巴萨就能够把大多数对手溜起来。
　　为什么会这样？巴萨球迷不要骄傲，这不是体系，克鲁伊夫也没那么大本事靠着几句谆谆教诲就可以把那些孩子点石成金，为什么会有这样的区别还是一个朴素的道理，还是足球的规律－－－那就是勤奋苦练，掌握皮球。
　　哈维、小白、布斯克茨莫不是如此，他们在天赋上没有什么过人之处。有人要说小波你错了，哈维那脑子明显就是天赋异禀，有天赋的，绝对是天才，掌握节奏是练不出来的。那我要说这还是靠勤奋，只有哈维、伊涅斯塔这样十几年如一日，坚信靠着自己的脑子，靠着自己不算强壮的身体，也能担起一个球队进攻的理想，去十几年如一日的练习，才会有今天举重若轻、挥斥方遒的境界。
　　我们普通网友都能看出来哈维控制节奏多么多么牛逼，你以为亚历山大宋，加图索就看不出来吗？他们为什么不能那样做？答案就和我们为什么没有成为职业球员一样。功夫没到家！
　　对于哈维和小白离开体系后就是废物、煤球离开体系后就是水货的说法，我不作评论，我只讲一个我自己的亲身故事－－－2005年，我大学入学，也许是之前的档案里有记录我的体育比赛履历，足球队的人过来找我（档案我自己是看不到的，我不能肯定是这个原因），当然一同被考察的还有另外几个，足球队一个球霸模样的第一件事就是说，“喂，小子，你们先每人颠几个球，再做点能够体现你们足球水平的动作，如果看看谁行的话，就进队里来。”
　　有几个哥们立刻哗哗哗做动作，花式颠球，还有的故意跑远了到大禁区外去搓个弧线球给人看，一时间刀枪棍棒耍得好不热闹。
　　但是我没有做，我跟他说，“大哥，颠球可以，不过如果还要我展示自己的真实水平，你得给我配几个队友，来场比赛，不然我真没什么本事。”
　　后来，我在整个大学四年里一直是足球队二号人物（最强的那一个是国家一级运动员，那确实高水平，我比不了），而那些不需要“体系”，“个人能力”牛逼哄哄的，我后来就没记住几个脸熟。
　　足球就是这样，讨论谁谁谁离开哪里就怎么怎么样的，那就不是足球了。就好比孔卡来了恒大，他确实是恒大队内能力最强这一点没疑问，不过让一个以前不知道的人来看，是打死也不会信他原来是巴甲最佳球员级别的。足球运动员，本来就需要一个环境，一个团队，关键是他能否在一支胜利之师中实实在在贡献了自己，使自己成为这支团队不可缺少的一员，如果他做到了，那他就是球星，就是腕，就是牛逼。
　　所有球星都一样，都是这个道理。
　　　　
　　太长了，就写到这吧，思路混乱不知道说清楚了没有，大家随便看看。
　　还是那句话，作为业余球迷，讨论阵型纯粹是装逼，赶紧趁新赛季还没开始，来装一次逼，说错了也没人鞭！

弗爵爷

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值得一提的是，当时巴萨4号位储备十分充足，除了瓜迪奥拉外，还有米利亚和阿莫尔两名超级中场，这和今天“梦三队”拥有哈维、蒂亚戈、小法、凯塔、布斯克茨的情形很像。
Penelope 发表于 2011-8-31 07:24

这个米利亚就是带领西班牙获得今夏U-21欧锦赛冠军的教练，对此人有些印象

但无论是他亦或阿莫尔，都无法同今天的哈维、小法、小白等人相提并论


另外，343阵型应该是瓜迪奥拉的应急之选，而不会成为常规阵型

像对阵潜水艇的这条阵容，面对边路进攻强悍的球队是有很大风险的

瓜迪奥拉是个很懂得战术变化的人，他完全知道什么时候排出什么样的战术

flight

楼上的红魔  加戈转会意甲红魔应该没问题了吧  别让我乌龙了

乔治六世

1112西甲第二轮（首场）巴萨VS比利亚雷尔，3-4-3阵型跑位战术分析

弗爵爷

楼上的红魔  加戈转会意甲红魔应该没问题了吧  别让我乌龙了
flight 发表于 2011-8-31 10:51

可能性很大，但是，这个转会还没有完成

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请叫罗马红狼！

弗爵爷

跟巴萨打比赛，真的不能太讲理，否则无生还机会

这支球队的传跑结合和利用空间的能力太强了，强到令人难以置信

乔治六世

巴萨vs比利亚雷亚尔全场集锦



除了蒂亚戈那脚貌似单干却诡异的射门外，巴萨后面所进4球，都是直塞斜传撕破防线的单刀球破门

午时靡深蓝

其实巴萨这个343只可能偶尔为之，这也侧面看出瓜迪奥拉用兵大胆狠辣的一面。黄潜失去卡索拉之后，他们就没有了边路的攻击支点，博尔哈是伪边前卫真中场核心，卡尼也是个喜欢内收进攻的假边前卫，巴萨只需蒂亚戈稍稍照顾卡尼，跑动能力强的佩德罗和桑切斯跟防黄潜两个能力很一般的边卫，这样就可扼杀对手的边路进攻。而且这个菱形343完全克制黄潜的4222，将对手切割分解各个击破，的确是战术上的妙手。

colinfirth

其实巴萨这个343只可能偶尔为之，这也侧面看出瓜迪奥拉用兵大胆狠辣的一面。黄潜失去卡索拉之后，他们就没有了边路的攻击支点，博尔哈是伪边前卫真中场核心，卡尼也是个喜欢内收进攻的假边前卫，巴萨只需蒂亚戈稍稍 ...
午时靡深蓝 发表于 2011-8-31 14:11

说说小马的右边后卫（貌似有过失误，所幸神勇的巴尔德斯将快过的门线之球捞了出来）

以及桑切斯右边锋

可保这一路基本无大碍?

还是佩德罗和阿比达尔左边路，防守要强于右边路？

午时靡深蓝

其实阿比和小马不是左右边卫，他们是左右盯人中卫，其职责是盯人（罗西和尼尔马）和负责中路以及肋部的防守，所以他们俩和佩德罗桑切斯中间那一环是巴萨该场理论上的最大软肋，但是瓜迪奥拉就是看准了黄潜没有边锋来突击这个位置才大胆布阵的。

Penelope

Milan 2-2 Lazio: danger down the flanks
September 10, 2011


The starting line-ups

The opening Serie A game of the season was excellent, with all four goals coming in a frantic first 35 minutes.

Max Allegri continued with his 4-3-1-2 shape, with Antonio Cassano playing just off Zlatan Ibrahimovic upfront.

Edy Reja gave debuts to two strikers, Miroslav Klose and Djibril Cisse, though the Frenchman played in a wide-left role. It was a similar, lopsided 4-2-3-1 to the system Lazio used last season.

The main tactical interest here was how obviously vulnerable both teams were in certain positions – and, as it happened, they were both vulnerable in exactly the same ways, despite the difference in formations.

Defences defend deep

First, the game was extremely stretched from the outset, with both defences defending deep, and a huge amount of space in the midfield as a result. There was barely ever any pressure on the ball and the midfielders all had time and space to pick a pass – the one exception being Hernanes, who was squeezed inside Milan’s diamond and didn’t influence the game a great deal.

With seven players packed into the central midfield zone, it always seemed likely that chances would come from the flanks. Neither side had traditional winger in their ranks – Milan were narrow, and Lazio used Stefano Mauri relatively central and Cisse as a support striker, so any threat down the wings would come from full-back.

This was interesting, for two reasons. First, because the game was so stretched from the start, the full-backs had plenty of space to motor into. The downside of this, however, is that they have to run a long way to make up ground down the flanks, and if they get forward and their side loses possession, they have to travel an extremely long distance to get back into defence.

Second, it was interesting because none of the full-backs received great support from ahead, with the arguable exception of Ignazio Abate, who was covered by Rino Gattuso and then Max Ambrosini when Gattuso departed (with Mark van Bommel coming into the holding role). Therefore, when they attacked, they were creating overlaps against their stranded opposition numbers – but no-one was on hand to cover.

Full-backs


The key battle zones. Abate and Boateng created 2 v 1s against Zauri (orange highlight), Konko and Mauri did the same to Abate (purple highlight) and both Cassano and Cisse tried to exploit the space in behind the advancing full-backs

The 4-2-3-1 theoretically offers good protection for full-backs – the Rafael Benitez-style 4-2-3-1, for example, essentially looks like a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-4-2 without the ball, with the wide players forming a second bank of four. Reja was happy to let his wide players amble back towards their own goal, however, which meant that Lazio frequently defended with just six players.

Abdoulay Konko was the most important player early on. He was given license to get forward and overlap Mauri, which gave a constant out-ball when Alberto Aquilani got too central, and meant that he and Mauri could overlap 2 v 1 against Luca Antonini. These 2 v 1 situations produced a dangerous cross in the opening moments, and later on resulted in Mauri getting space to cross for Cisse’s header.

On the other side, something similar happened. Cisse showed no interest in defending, and so Abate could leave him to Alessandro Nesta and move forward himself, getting most of that flank to himself with Luciano Zauri remaining deep. Unlike Lazio, however, Milan didn’t have a true wide player on that side, and it was only when Kevin-Prince Boateng came out to the flank to help out that 2 v 1 situations were created, meaning Milan’s overlaps weren’t as useful as Lazio’s.

The knock-on effect to Konko and Abate moving forward, though, was that Cassano and Cisse got space in behind the opposition right-backs. Cassano played Konko very well throughout, dragging him wide early on to create space for an Aquilani chance, but for the rest of the game he focused on getting the ball himself in left-sided positions, as he used to do so well for Sampdoria. The most obvious example was on 47 minutes, when a through-ball from Ibrahimovic resulted in Cassano running with the ball, coming inside and then shooting narrowly wide of the far post.

Cisse increasingly looked more like an additional forward as the game went on, to the point where Reja eventually seemed to move Hernanes out to the left to allow Cisse to constantly stretch the Milan backline, from left-of-centre positions.

Amongst this specific tactical battle, four goals in an action-packed first half resulted, almost inevitably, in a more tense second period after both managers were more cautious. There were less forward runs from full-back and therefore less space at both ends, though Milan should have scored a third.

Conclusion

A very interesting tactical battle that seemed to occur almost separately from the formation match-up, although the fact that Lazio had slightly more natural width meant their formation created overlaps more easily.

Both sides looked very prone to easy exploitation, however – Milan still look vulnerable to width, the major problem for Italian clubs in the Champions League, whilst Cisse and Mauri can’t be given such little defensive responsibility. A side with a good natural right-winger would have won this game.

Penelope

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11-12赛季意甲第2轮 AC米兰 vs 拉齐奥 上半场 [超清画质]


11-12赛季意甲第2轮 AC米兰 vs 拉齐奥 下半场 [超清画质]



AC米兰(4-3-1-2)：
32-阿比亚蒂
20-阿巴特，13-内斯塔，33-蒂亚戈-席尔瓦，77-安东尼尼
8-加图索(20'4-范博梅尔)，23-安布罗西尼，18-阿奎拉尼(68'22-诺切里诺)
27-博阿滕(76'7-帕托)
11-伊布拉希莫维奇，99-卡萨诺。

拉齐奥(4-2-3-1)：
1-比萨里
29-孔科，20-比亚瓦，3-迪亚斯，78-扎乌里
24-莱德斯马，32-布罗基
6-毛里(79'19-卢利奇)，8-埃尔纳内斯(85'11-马图扎伦)，99-西塞
25-克洛泽(68'15-阿尔瓦罗-冈萨雷斯)

Penelope

Palermo 4-3 Inter: Gasperini’s 3-4-3 exposed
September 12, 2011

The starting line-ups

Palermo produced a great second half display to edge a thriller.

Devis Mangia, Palermo’s new(est) coach, used a standard 4-4-2 system, a world away from the 4-3-2-1 that the club used last season. Josep Ilicic started out on the left, and Giulio Migliaccio played at centre-back.
Gian Piero Gasperini used his favoured 3-4-3 system, which meant Javier Zanetti in an unusual centre-back role, Jonathan making his debut on the right, plus newcomers Mauro Zarate and Diego Forlan in the wide forward positions. Wesley Sneijder started on the bench.
The scoreline makes the game look close – and indeed it was – but Palermo were dominant in this match, and on the balance of play should have sealed the game long before the final stages. The key thing to look at, then, is why Inter were exposed so easily throughout.
Formation match-up
Even before a ball was kicked, Gasperini’s favoured back three had been criticised. Even Inter President Massimo Moratti had indicated that he was looking forward to an eventual switch to a back four, which makes you wonder why he appointed such a staunch advocate of a back three in the first place (or, for that matter, why he talked to Marcelo Bielsa in the summer).
That political point aside, this really wasn’t a promising debut for the 3-4-3, and looking across the side, it’s difficult to find anything that went right. The back three found themselves too high up the pitch, and with three rather elderly defenders, there wasn’t any pace to chase any balls over the top. In addition, Walter Samuel kept getting dragged forward from the central position, leaving too much space between Lucio and Zanetti.
Further forward, the two-man central midfield of Esteban Cambiasso and Dejan Stankovic lacked mobility, with neither defending well nor attacking with any creativity. The wing-backs motored up and down well but the crossing was extremely poor, whilst the two wide forwards barely got into the game. Gasperini changed his system – slightly – after just 30 minutes, taking off Zarate and bringing on Sneijder, with Forlan going to the right and Sneijder playing a narrow left-sided forward role.
Sneijder
That helped Inter, because Sneijder’s natural game was to come deeper, pick up possession and thread balls through to the forwards. Until then, they’d lacked any kind of link whatsoever between the seven defensive-minded players and the three attackers. The Dutchman played some brilliant incisive passes – most notably to Forlan, first for a chance that (eventually, after a handball shout and a corner) resulted in Samuel winning a penalty, and then to the same player in the final minute, for a consolation goal. Even at this early stage, Gasperini finds himself in something of a difficult situation – Inter have depended for so long upon Sneijder as a central creator and really do need his invention, yet Sneijder’s natural home is not in a 3-4-3.
Palermo took advantage of how tentative Inter were, and a key part of their dominance was bravery in positioning. The battles down the flank in the early stages were won by the home side – Federico Balzaretti pushed Zarate back, Eros Pisano did the same to Forlan, and with Ilicic and Alvarez both very aggressive and keen to dribble with the ball, the two wing-backs also retreated. From a 3-4-3, Inter were forced to a 5-4-1, and they lacked thrust or invention to break forward out of that shape.
Countering
Perversely, you can make a case that Palermo were actually too good at doing this, too effective at pressing Inter into their own half and keeping possession of the ball, despite their early dominance. They didn’t produce any goals in the first half, and were much better in the second when the game was more evenly-balanced, largely thanks to Sneijder. The reason was summed up best with Palermo’s second goal, scored by Abel Hernandez after a brilliant direct attack involving Miccoli and Ilicic – they are still used to playing as a counter-attacking side.
That triangle formed almost sporadically, rather than as part of a 4-4-2 – and it was a goal that brought back memories of Pastore and the 4-3-2-1, breaking through the middle quickly at speed. But to counter-attack, they had to let Inter come into them, which indicates that a pressing game (whilst probably part of a completely different approach under Mangia) probably wasn’t the right approach.
More opportunities for Palermo
Palermo could have attacked through the middle more – Migliaccio, a central midfielder at centre-back, had time on the ball but was nervous coming out from the back and should have been more positive, whilst the goal that finally put them ahead, a Miccoli free-kick, was won after Matias Silvestre had taken advantage of his space to move forward. The energy of Afriyie Acquah after half time was more of a fit than Francesco Della Rocca’s sideways passing, and Palermo basically prospered by exposing Stankovic and Cambiasso in the middle – in particular, the gap they left between themselves and the back three.
The most worrying thing for Gasperini, though, is that if you were to choose a formation for your 3-4-3 to face, you’d probably go for a 4-4-2 to prevent being overrun. You’d have a spare man at the back, you’d match the opposition in midfield and you’d be pinning back the opposition full-backs. The problem was that Inter were positionally poor and probably had the wrong mentality for the system – they needed to impose themselves but instead got pushed back deeper and deeper.
Conclusions
Formations are neutral, but instinctively 3-4-3 seems to be about energy, width and pace. With an average age of 30.5 last night, the shape doesn’t appear to lend itself to Inter. Every area of the side had problems in some way, and it was the man left out from the start, Sneijder, who gave Inter hope – another sub, Ricardo Alvarez, also had an impact. On the evidence of this, Gasperini will need to start at least one ‘withdrawn’ player in the wide roles to prevent Inter being a broken team.
Palermo were admirable in the way they pressed, and their goals were superb. For now, however, their system and strategy seems a little confused – and they were much better off after the break when (a) they could counter more, and (b) when they could form triangles in the centre of the pitch, which a 4-4-2 doesn’t lend itself to easily. Still, these issues are natural after one game, and Mangia certainly won the battle here.

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巴勒莫4-3国际米兰 战术复盘：加斯佩里尼的3-4-3不设防

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巴勒莫4-3国际米兰：加斯佩里尼的3-4-3不设防


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巴勒莫打出了精彩的下半场，从而赢得了这场跌宕起伏的比赛。

巴勒莫的（最）新教练曼吉亚采用了标准的4-4-2阵型，与俱乐部上赛季用的4-3-2-1截然不同。伊利西奇担任首发的左中场，米利亚乔踢中后卫。

加斯佩里尼用的是自己喜欢的3-4-3阵型，这意味着萨内蒂出现在不常见的中后卫位置上，乔纳森在右后卫位置上演首秀。新援萨拉特和弗兰出现在边锋位置上。斯内德则坐在替补席上。

比赛从比分上看——实际上也是如此——但巴勒莫在比赛中占据了优势，从场面上看早应锁定胜局，而不是拖到最后阶段。那么需要重点关注的地方，就是国米为何整场比赛都如此容易遭到侵袭。

阵型配对

赛前加斯佩里尼偏好的三后卫阵型已广受批评，即便是国米主席莫拉蒂也暗示他希望球队最终换回到四后卫阵型。这番表态让人感到奇怪：那他之前为何要任命一个三后卫阵型的坚定拥护者（还有，既然如此，为何今夏他还找过[也是惯用三后卫的]贝尔萨）？

且不管这些场外论调，这场比赛也绝不是3-4-3的理想首演，审视球队上上下下都很难找出一处对头的地方。三个后卫站位太过靠前，而由于三人都年事已高，对于过顶球没有回追的能力。此外，三人中间的萨穆埃尔常被吸引上前去，这使得卢西奥和萨内蒂之间留出了大片空当。

而在前边，两名中前卫坎比亚索和斯坦科维奇都缺乏机动性，防守不好，进攻也缺乏创造力。两名翼卫的上下跑动不错，但传中质量极差；而两名边锋基本上没什么状态。仅过30分钟，加斯佩里尼就改变了战术——细微的改变：换下萨拉特换上斯内德，弗兰换到右边，而斯内德踢一个位置靠内的左边锋。

斯内德

这对国米有所帮助，因为斯内德习惯的工作室后撤控球并分球给前锋。在此之前，七名主守球员和三名主攻球员之间缺乏任何形式上的连接。荷兰人传出了几次手术刀般的球——最主要是给弗兰，前一次传球间接使萨穆埃尔制造了点球（先是手球，然后是角球），后一次传球让弗兰在终场前打进了安慰性的一球。即使是在比赛早段，加斯佩里尼也发现自己处于两难境地：国米长期以来依赖斯内德坐镇中路发挥创造力，但斯内德在3-4-3阵型里找不到自己习惯的位置。

巴勒莫利用了国米还未磨合成型的弱点，而他们之所以能占据优势，重要的一点是他们站位敢于压上。主队在比赛早段赢得了边路对决的胜利：巴尔扎雷蒂迫使萨拉特退了回去，皮萨诺对阵弗兰也收到了同样成效，而由于伊利西奇和阿尔瓦雷斯都非常有侵略性，坚持带球突破，国米的两名翼卫也只能后撤。于是国米的3-4-3便被压成了5-4-1，而他们又缺乏推动力和创造力来突破这个困局。

反击

你可以固执地认为是巴勒莫在这方面做得太好了，压迫太有效了（将国米压在其半场范围内），控球太多了（尽管比赛早段是国米占优）。不过，他们在上半场没有任何斩获，而在下半场更为势均力敌的场面之下（由于斯内德的存在），他们反而更为得心应手。米科利和伊利西奇一次直截了当的漂亮配合后由赫尔南德斯为巴勒莫打进的第二个进球最能解释其中的缘由：他们还是习惯打反击。

那次三角进攻几乎是偶然形成的，而不是4-4-2的一部分——这个进球让人回想起了那支拥有帕斯托雷、打4-3-2-1的巴勒莫，那时该队以速度在中路打开缺口。不过想打反击，他们就必须让国米攻过来，这表明压迫（曼吉亚主打的、与前任完全不同的打法）可能不是正确的打法。

巴勒莫机会更多

巴勒莫本可更多地通过中路发动进攻：米利亚乔这位后腰被放在中后卫位置上，有机会控球时本应表现得更积极，但他对于后排插上却显得有些紧张。不过西尔维斯特雷利用插上的空间赢得了任意球，米科利将球罚进让他们取得领先。下半场换上的阿奎阿更有活力，比起只知将球分边的德拉洛卡要更适用。巴勒莫基本上是得益于攻击位于中路的斯坦科维奇和坎比亚索——尤其是利用两人之间的空隙，还有他们与三后卫之间的空当。

不过加斯佩里尼最该担心的地方在于，如果让他的3-4-3来选择一种阵型来对垒的话，4-4-2可能已经是最佳选择了：后场多一个人，中场能够对上位，前场也能够压制对方的边后卫。问题在于国米的位置感不好，精气神也与这种阵型不搭调——他们得硬往上冲，但却被对方给顶回来，越退越后。

结论

阵容是中性的，但3-4-3直观上应是强调活力、边路和速度。对于昨晚场上队员平均年龄达到30.5岁的国米来说，这种阵型似乎并不适用。球队每个位置都存在某种程度的问题，而带给他们希望的则是一个被排除在首发外的人：斯内德——另一个替补阿尔瓦雷斯同样也起到了作用。基于这样的事实，加斯佩里尼至少应让其中一名被“雪藏”的队员在边路位置上首发出场，以免使国米的阵型变得支离破碎。

巴勒莫的压迫式打法让人钦佩，他们的进球也非常精彩。不过就现在而言，他们的阵型和战术似乎有点矛盾：半场休息过后当①他们可以更多地打反击的时候②他们能在中路形成三角进攻的时候，他们的情况会好很多——而4-4-2在这方面并不容易发挥作用。不过一场比赛过后看出些问题是正常的，曼吉亚当然还是赢下了这次对决。

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Serie A arrives with a bang and Gasperini is already feeling the heat

There were 35 goals in the opening weekend but unfortunately for Inter coach Gian Piero Gasperini, four came against his side


Inter Milan's coach Gian Piero Gasperini looks on during his side's 4-3 defeat to Palermo Photograph: Tony Gentile/REUTERS

If you're going to arrive fashionably late, then you had better look good. Thankfully, Serie A was. A fortnight on from its scheduled start, the new season finally got underway for Italy's top flight on Friday with Lazio travelling to San Siro for an entertaining draw with champions Milan. Two days and 35 goals later, the league had taken its first tentative step towards winning back the supporters alienated by an entirely avoidable strike.

Last season, after all, had not been a vintage year for goals – the final tally of 955 scored across the league representing Serie A's worst return since the division expanded to 20 teams in 2004. Where the opening weekend of 2010-11 furnished just 15 goals, last night Palermo and Inter managed almost half that tally in a single game. A scoreline of 2-2 in the 86th minute became 4-2 to the Sicilians by the 88th, then 4-3 in the 91st. Thankfully for Palermo, that was how it ended.

"One of the most emotional and vibrant matches ever seen in these 10 years under [the Palermo president Maurizio] Zamparini," announces Giuseppe Leone in il Giornale di Sicilia this morning, his fervour fuelled by the identity of the opposition. Palermo concluded last season with a painful defeat to Inter in the Coppa Italia final, and they had not beaten the Nerazzurri anywhere since 2005. The duck was broken in style, the decisive goals coming from a swerving Fabrizio Miccoli free-kick that kissed the inside of the post, and a Mauricio Pinilla screamer from 30 yards.

It was a match after Zamparini's own character: extravagant, erratic, and more than a little mad. From a first half in which Palermo had played the better football, Inter emerged with a 1-0 lead. Just at the point when Inter seemed to be getting on top of the second half, their world fell apart. It was, as Gazzetta dello Sport described it: "A breathtaking match, rich with feats of brilliance, but also with blunders."

The Inter keeper Júlio César was quick to acknowledge his own contribution to the latter, admitting that he had taken a step forward and lost track of the ball for Pinilla's winner, but it was the Inter manager Gian Piero Gasperini to whom others have ascribed blame. His decisions to start Wesley Sneijder on the bench and to leave Giampaolo Pazzini there for the duration have been criticised, but it was his 3-4-3 formation that drew the most derision after Inter were carved open time and again on the counter.

"It is not a question of sending out three or four defenders, but of concentration and of the tiredness that was apparent by the end," harrumphed Gasperini, though he can hardly have been surprised to hear the issue raised. Many commentators had criticised his tactics before a ball was even kicked. The reaction in some quarters when Inter's owner Massimo Moratti suggested last month that Gasperini "will eventually change [to a four-man defence]" verged on gleeful.

It is no secret that Gasperini was not Inter's first choice this summer to replace Leonardo – the club having approached Marcelo Bielsa, André Villas-Boas and Fabio Capello – but the continued scepticism over his appointment has been relentless. Even before yesterday's game – and with just one competitive fixture under his belt, the pre-season SuperCup defeat to Milan – bookies were already offering odds of less than 3-1 that he would be sacked before Christmas.

But if he has felt such talk to be destabilising then he will find no sympathy in Palermo. The Rosanero (to whom, incidentally, Gasperini had also lost in his final game before getting the boot at Genoa last year) have already replaced one manager this season – Stefano Pioli losing his job on 31 August after just two games in charge. His replacement Devis Mangia joked after last night's win that: "I haven't heard from Zamparini, but I'm sure that after this I'll get at least one more game."

You'd like to hope so, though frankly with Zamparini nothing is assured. Nevertheless it is certainly fair to say that Mangia – who, fittingly for a man whose name translates as "eat", said he had suffered stomach cramps before kick-off – gave a good account of himself yesterday. Promoted from coaching the youth team and having never managed a side higher than Varese in the old Serie C, he too has plenty of sceptics, but in beating Inter has already achieved something that many predecessors failed to do. Having a fit and motivated Miccoli on board does no harm either.

With 13 teams changing managers over the summer, you might have expected a few more new coaches to be celebrating first wins over the weekend, but in the end Mangia was joined only by Antonio Conte – whose new-look Juventus routed Parma – and Massimo Ficcadenti – who led Cagliari to an impressive win away to Roma. Whether or not those results are indicative of bright futures ahead remains to be seen. For now, most fans will be content just to see the games being played, and the goals flying in.

Talking points
• As much as the goals will help, it must be noted that a good deal of ill-will persists over the strike (which, to be technical, wasn't a strike at all – but rather a league stoppage, since several friendlies took place and players continued to get paid). There were banners on show at a number of stadiums criticising all the parties involved, and various fan groups staged protests, with Genoa fans starting their match against Atalanta with backs turned. Among the signs on display at that match included one which simply read: "Us: redundant. You: filthy rich."

• The pre-game show wasn't quite as dramatic this time around, but Juventus fans were treated to a much better footballing performance in their first competitive fixture at their new stadium than they had been for the official opener against Notts County. Andrea Pirlo was majestic – picking out Lichtsteiner for the opening goal and Marchisio for the fourth – as well as generally dictating play throughout the game even after being moved into a deeper role in the second half. That said, Gazzetta's reporter was probably getting carried away when he declared that the midfielder "would start for Barcelona", and he will face far tougher tests. The knock on Pirlo in his latter period at Milan was that he couldn't handle being put under pressure. Parma seemed happy to stand off and let him take them apart. Anyway, before we move on, Arturo Vidal's goal wasn't bad either.

• The stadium, by the way, has received rave reviews – including from Pirlo, who described it as "absolutely extraordinary" and said it would "win a head-to-head with San Siro", citing the fans' proximity to the pitch as lending the home team a big advantage. The main criticisms have been of the pitch, which already needs to be relaid after being ruined during the festivities ahead of the Notts County game, and of the fact that it's quite a pain to drive to.

• Djibril Cissé and Miroslav Klose wasted no time in getting off the mark, combining to put Lazio two goals up inside 21 minutes during a sensational start at Milan. The Rossoneri recovered, but this was nevertheless a hugely encouraging show for a Lazio team whose greatest problem last season was an inability to score goals, especially away from home. If they can just persuade Cissé that letting fly from 30 yards is not a percentage play, Lazio have a very serious chance to contend again for the Champions League places.

• Hats off to Novara, who marked their return to Serie A after 55 years by recovering from two goals down to secure a point at Chievo. They got some breaks along the way, not least Gennaro Sardo getting himself sent off when the score was still 2-1, but nevertheless a promising start. Fellow newly-promoted sides Atalanta and Siena also secured a draw — though, the former, of course, still have another five points to make up just to get back to zero.

• It's been a less happy start for Luis Enrique at Roma, who followed up failure to reach the Europa League group stages by starting the Serie A season with a home defeat to Cagliari. It is early days yet and, the Stadio Olimpico seemed in a more forgiving mood than it had following the defeat to Slovan Bratislava (perhaps, it must be said, only because this time Francesco Totti stayed on the pitch but there is clearly much work to be done. Roma perhaps deserved a draw yesterday (and Cagliari's Michael Agazzi certainly made some big saves) but for all their possession Roma still lack incision, and the two costly signings up front, Bojan Krkic and Pablo Daniel Osvaldo, have yet to impress.

Results: Catania 0-0 Siena, Cesena 1-3 Napoli, Chievo 2-2 Novara, Fiorentina 2-0 Bologna, Genoa 2-2 Atalanta, Juventus 4-1 Parma, Lecce 0-2 Udinese, Milan 2-2 Lazio, Palermo 4-3 Inter, Roma 1-2 Cagliari.