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【ZM美洲杯专贴】142L:美洲杯最佳阵容11人

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发表于 2011-7-5 12:18:30 | 显示全部楼层
不排除烟雾弹
阿根廷怎样 发表于 2011-7-5 11:08


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发表于 2011-7-9 14:20:19 | 显示全部楼层
关于智利1-1乌拉圭之战,下面有一个带有图的简要战术分析帖子
http://bbs.goalhi.com/2464807.html
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发表于 2011-7-9 14:34:40 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 elite 于 2011-7-9 15:55 编辑

Argentina's failures at the Copa America are system-based
美洲杯开赛以来阿根廷发挥不佳源于系统性桎梏

Story Highlights 全文要点:

Lionel Messi has borne the brunt of the criticism for Argentina's poor play;
梅西在遭受因阿根廷队表现不佳的责难中而首当其冲;

The real issue is the use of three holding midfielders and no real link man;
这个真正的实质性的问题在于使用了三后腰却没有真正串联之人;

Argentina's players have also been guilty of overdribbling at times
阿根廷球员也屡犯带球过多的毛病


The use of three holding midfielders such as Esteban Cambiasso (right) has stifled Argentina's midfield creativity. Jaso Jacome/Landov 使用象坎比亚索这样的三后腰战术(图中右边)已经限制了阿根廷中场创造性发挥

One player has emerged from the first week of the Copa America with his reputation enhanced. Sadly for Argentina, that player is Spain's Xavi Hernandez. 美洲杯开赛1周以来,有一个球员的形象愈发突现在球场上,人们对他渴望与日俱浓。(但是),这种渴望对阿根廷人来说是悲伤的,那位球员就是西班牙队的哈维-赫尔南德斯。

Outside of the Barcelona support structure, without the tiki-taka legions at his back, Lionel Messi has looked worryingly ordinary. 离开巴萨支持结构、缺乏身后的tiki-taka系的支援,梅西在美洲杯赛场上已经显现出之前令人担忧的平庸。The doubts that Argentina fans had about him have been magnified by his performances in the draws with Bolivia and Colombia. 阿根廷球迷对他的质疑,已经被他在阿根廷与玻利维亚和哥伦比亚两场交战的平局中的表现所强化。This has been a systemic failure, tactical and mental, for Argentina, and the more Sergio Batista tries to calm the fury of fans and the media by insisting this tournament is primarily about preparation for the World Cup, the more loudly comes the response that the next stage of that preparation will be to get rid of him. 这种情势和后果,对阿根廷队而言,已经是系统性失败了,不论战术还是精神层面;不仅如此,塞尔吉奥-巴蒂斯塔,还一再强调这届美洲杯主要是为2014世界杯作准备的,这样来面对球迷以及媒体的不满和愤怒,他愈加想要保持平静,那么,舆论对此反应是,下一步的准备工作就是要他从主帅位置上滚蛋的吼声,则愈发强烈。

Against Colombia on Wednesday in a 0-0 draw, it wasn't just that Argentina lacked a little spark, as it had against Bolivia, it was that it was shockingly, crassly open at the back. Colombia's Adrian Ramos and Dayro Moreno were guilty of extraordinary misses, and three one-on-ones were wasted in the second half. Colombia should have won the game comfortably and, had that happened, Argentina would be facing Monday's game against Costa Rica needing a win just to be assured of third in the group.

"The worst moment under Batista," said La Nacion. "Batista is directing the Titanic into an iceberg," said As. "The national team doesn't start," said Clarin. It was shambolic. The pattern was similar to the Bolivia game -- 20 minutes of calm, measured if slightly toothless soccer, followed by 70 minutes of panic and chaos. And at the heart of it all, oddly glum, stood Lionel Messi. Anybody who still believes soccer is just about picking the best players and letting them get on with it needs only to look at Batista's Argentina to see how flawed that idea is.

Batista has done his best to retract the comment, but before the opening game he said he wanted his team to play like Barcelona: a 4-3-3 with Messi used as a false nine, dropping deep from his center-forward's position to create space for the wide forwards to cut in, and for players to make breaks form midfield. This, he had decided, rather than as a classic enganche -- literally "hook" -- between midfield and attack, was the way to get the best out of his best player.

That may be true, but soccer is a holistic game. Can Carlos Tvez and Ezequiel Lavezzi cut in from wide? Yes, they can. In that sense the front three should work, and there were indications against Colombia, most notably in the sublimely-weighted pass Messi slipped through for Lavezzi 10 minutes before halftime, that some sort of understanding was being generated there. These things, of course, take time: at Barcelona they have been worked out over a period of a decade or so at La Masia; note how it took even David Villa, coming in to a settled and successful side, four or five months fully to adapt. Batista doesn't have a decade -- he has had maybe three weeks -- and to that existent he is due the sympathy of any national coach in the modern era.

So let's move to the next layer. When Messi drops deep for Barcelona, he has Xavi and Andres Iniesta breaking beyond him; with Argentina, it's Ever Banega and Esteban Cambiasso. Banega and Cambiasso are perfectly serviceable holding midfielders. Cambiasso has even shown a certain knack for getting forward to score over his career, but they are hardly players of the wit, intelligence or movement of Xavi and Iniesta. When they get the ball, it stops -- as it does with Tevez and Lavezzi; this isn't the pass-and-move tiki-taka of Barca; it's something a little more ponderous, something, frankly, heretical as it may seem in Argentina, with too much dribbling, and it leaves Messi playing at a different rhythm to the rest of his team.

Then there is the issue of the fullbacks. At Barcelona, the wide forwards can drift inside knowing that they have a very attacking fullback overlapping, both providing width and drawing the opposing fullback. This is the beauty of Barcelona's system: when Messi goes deep a midfielder can go forward or a wide forward can cut in opening space for a surging fullback. One player's movement creates a vacuum and that generates the swirl of movement. Argentina simply doesn't have that. With Pablo Zabaleta, Argentina had a measure of attacking width from deep -- he certainly seemed far better suited to the system than Marcos Rojo had -- but he is no Dani Alves (after all, who is?), and neither can the 37-year-old legs of Javier Zanetti offer regular surges forward on the other flank. Moreover, when players do push on, the instinct to cover isn't there. Javier Mascherano drops in as a third center-back at times, as the holding player does for Barcelona, which should in theory liberate the fullbacks , but the mutual understanding isn't yet there -- and, with the players available, may never be.

Amid all the Batista-bashing, it should also be said that Colombia's coach, Hernan Dario Gomez, got it absolutely right tactically. The use of Carlos Sanchez as a holding player in a 4-1-4-1 meant that there was always a player in the space into which Messi wanted to move, so that he never had the opportunity to turn and run at goal from that dangerous central area 30-40 yards out. The use of Ramos and Moreno wide also helped dissuade Zabaleta and Zanetti from being too aggressive.

So what does Batista do next? He could, as he did in the final stages, field Gonzalo Higuain as an out-and-out center forward with Messi in behind in a 4-2-3-1. Or he could heed the calls of the public for Javier Pastore to be used in midfield and stick with his 4-3-3. In theory, the linkup between Messi and Pastore could be devastating, but the dangers are twofold, particularly given the lack of practice-time available. Messi and Pastore could effectively end up occupying the same space and/or Pastore, not being used to this style of 4-3-3, could play too high up the field become isolated from the two holders, as Ganso did for Brazil.

The bonus for Batista is that Costa Rica should provide limited opposition; this is a game in which there probably is scope for experimentation before the quarterfinals. Then again, everybody thought that about Bolivia.
Jonathan Wilson is the author of Inverting the Pyramid; Behind the Curtain; Sunderland: A Club Transformed; and The Anatomy of England. Editor of The Blizzard.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jonathan_wilson/07/07/argentina.struggles/index.html#ixzz1RaU4J6Nk
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发表于 2011-7-9 14:38:17 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 elite 于 2011-7-9 14:41 编辑

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Jonathan Wilson:美洲杯阿根廷的失败得怪体系

由 kaminosin 发表在GoalHi足球·翻译团-足球


派上3个像坎比亚索这样的后腰限制了阿根廷中场的创造力。Jaso Jacome/Landov

美洲杯开赛一周以来,有一个球员浮现在人们视野之中,声誉大振。可这对阿根廷来说很遗憾:这个球员是西班牙的哈维。

没有了巴萨体系的支持,没有了身后的Tiki-taka军团,梅西看上去不过是一个焦躁的庸才。阿根廷球迷对梅西一直心存怀疑,而对玻利维亚和哥伦比亚的平局中,他的表现加深了这疑虑。对阿根廷而言,这是一个体系的失败,不论是战术上还是精神上。巴蒂斯塔坚称这次锦标赛主要是为下届世界杯做准备,以此为借口企图平息球迷和媒体的愤怒,他费的力越多,民众中“下一个阶段的准备工作就是赶他下台”的反对之声也越大。

周三阿根廷0-0平哥伦比亚,这场不仅仅是像上一场对玻利维亚时阿根廷就差那么一点儿闪光的火花,这次是后防线令人震惊、无比粗糙地门户大开。哥伦比亚的拉莫斯和莫雷诺该为他们没能把握住的绝佳机会而自惭形秽,下半场浪费了3个单刀。哥伦比亚本应该舒舒服服地全取3分,而要是这样的话,那阿根廷在下周一面对哥斯达黎加时必须赢下比赛,以保证小组第三的位置。

“这是巴蒂斯塔执教后最糟糕的时期”,《民族报》如是说。“巴蒂斯塔正开着泰坦尼克号撞冰山”,《阿斯报》戏谑。“阿根廷国家队未能成功启动”,《号角报》评论道。这场比赛就是个大混乱,走势和上场对玻利维亚有类似之处——前20分钟很冷静,踢得谨慎,甚至可以说是有点缺乏锐气,之后70分钟是惊慌失措和一团浆糊。在这一切的最中央,站着一个古怪而闷闷不乐的梅西。任何以为足球就是选出最好的球员,然后让他们自己去踢的人都得来见识一下巴蒂斯塔的阿根廷,这样他们才知道这个想法错得有多不靠谱。

巴蒂斯塔已尽全力少说话,但在揭幕战开始之前他曾说过,他希望这支队伍能像巴萨那样去踢:排433,让梅西踢伪9号,从他中锋的位置后撤,为边锋内切和队友从中场突破留出空间。他已拿定主意,这就是能让手下最好的球员最大力度发挥实力的方法,而不用那种将中场和进攻结合的古典Enganche——字面是“钩子”的意思。

这可能是正确的,但足球是一个集体项目。特维斯和拉维奇会内切吗?对啊,他们当然能做到。在这个意义上前场三叉戟应该能起作用,而在对哥伦比亚时他们之间也有了些相互理解的迹象,这最明显的是中场前10分钟梅西传给拉维奇那精彩的一球。这种理解当然需要时间,在巴塞罗那梅西和他的队友可是在拉玛西亚一起踢了十年或更长。但巴蒂斯塔没有十年的大好光阴——他只有大概3个星期——在某种程度上,他也应该得到现代任何一个国家队主教练都应得的同情。

那让我们继续到下一层吧。当梅西在巴萨位置后撤时,他有哈维和伊涅斯塔两个队友可前插,而在阿根廷队他只有巴内加和坎比亚索。这两人都是非常称职的后腰,而坎比亚索甚至在其职业生涯中展现出一种前插得分的特殊天赋,但与哈维和伊涅斯塔相比,他俩还是远不具有那种聪慧、才智和跑位。当他们拿球时,进攻就终结了——特维斯和拉维奇也是一样。阿根廷踢的不是巴萨式一传一跑的Tiki-taka,他们踢得更笨拙,而坦白地说,他们现在的踢法就阿根廷传统而言像是旁门左道,带球太多,并使得梅西和他的其他队友不在一个步调上。

接下来看看边后卫的问题。在巴萨,边锋知道自己身后还有个攻击欲望强烈的边后卫上前助攻,于是他们可以向中路移动,为己方提供宽度,也调动对方的边后卫。这是巴萨系统的美丽所在:当梅西后撤时一个中场可以前场,或者是一个边锋内切,并给插上的边后卫留出空间。一个球员的跑位造出一个空当,并继续生出一连串移动。阿根廷就是没有这一套东西。拥有萨巴莱塔的阿根廷可以选择从后场开始,利用宽度来进攻——他当然比罗霍要更适合目前体系得多——但他还不是阿尔维斯(毕竟又有谁是呢?),而另一侧37岁高龄的萨内蒂也扛不住来来回回的前插冲刺跑。此外,当真有球员前插时,剩下的人没有补位的意识。马斯切拉诺有时会后退一些作为第三个中后卫,就像在他巴萨踢后腰时所做的那样,这在理论上能解放边后卫,但他们现在缺乏默契——就目前的人员配备来说,也许永远都不会有了。

在一片对巴蒂斯塔的口诛笔伐之中,我们也得说哥伦比亚主教练戈麦斯的战术布置非常正确。在4-1-4-1阵型中让桑切斯踢后腰,这意味着在梅西想要移动的空间中总能有一个队员在那儿,于是梅西从来没机会在中路距球门30~40码的危险位置转身并奔向球门。让拉莫斯和莫雷诺拉边也有助于压制萨巴莱塔和萨内蒂的助攻。

于是乎巴蒂斯塔下一步该做些什么呢?他可以像比赛后期那样,让伊瓜因首发做一个彻底的中锋,梅西在其身后,变阵4-2-3-1。或者他可以听从民众的呼唤,让帕斯拖雷司职中场,坚持他的4-3-3。在理论上梅西和帕斯拖雷的联合将无坚不摧,但也存在两重风险,特别是考虑到他们缺乏有效的训练时间。梅西和帕斯拖雷可能会位置重叠,而同时也许帕斯拖雷不适应这种形式的4-3-3,在场上的位置太靠前而孤立在其他两个后腰之外,就像甘索在巴西的问题一样。

给巴蒂斯塔的额外收获是哥斯达黎加的威胁并不大,在这场四分之一决赛之前的比赛里他可以大胆尝试一把。最后再提一句,在对阵玻利维亚时每个人也都这么想的。
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发表于 2011-7-9 15:12:49 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 elite 于 2011-7-9 16:04 编辑

34楼的翻译,明显有个人喜好在里面的。例如,正文的第一二段的翻译中一些词的使用上,不是很恰当的。

看俺的翻译,味道肯定不一样。

例如“庸才”一词,这是个定性说法,最好不要轻易使用。而原文只不过是ordinary, 乃普通、平常、正常等的意思。

俺们可以说某球员某场表现不佳、平常、糟糕等,都是切合实际的,但是动不动使用天才、庸才,往往就是走极端的表现。一个天才级的球员,突然就成了庸才,这是量变还是质变?还是突变呢?如果是突变,那得是遭受了核辐射才对
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